How to make I/U conversion with 2SK170

AudioAngel · 10th April 2007, 01:23 PM

Hello,

I'm not shure where to place this question so I placed it here hoping for help.
I want to make a I/U-converter with a 2SK170 JFET. I've seen, there are some schematics but what I want to now is the math behind to setup the circuit for another DAC. Can someone explain how to do that?
I think it is wise to give a concrete application so let's say my DAC delivers 7.8mA p-p and I want to use +30V for the positive and -30V for the negative voltage rail. So, how to go on?

Maybe this question is also interesting for other newbies...

Raphael

MaxS · 10th April 2007, 04:47 PM

Guten Tag Dude,

In some cases, we use an 1 Ω resistor so the voltage is the true picture of current. This resistor was called Rshunt and i remember to have read on the board what their value are given by the datasheet.

Cheers,

Max.

AudioAngel · 10th April 2007, 07:52 PM

I'm not sure wether this answer is really helpful because it does not explain the circuits based on JFETs to do the I/U but that is what I want to know.

Raphael

MaxS · 10th April 2007, 10:06 PM

Hi,

Well is late, so i 'll made simple. They are two ways to command a transistor, by current, BJT. Or by voltage,FET and their sons.

Nelson Pass · 10th April 2007, 10:19 PM

There are three ways to use any 3 pin gain device. For I/V
conversion, Common Gate is my preferred approach. Take
a look at the I/V of the Pass Labs D1 - Common Gate, no
feedback, works like glue.

AudioAngel · 11th April 2007, 07:05 AM

Hello Nelson and Max,

I know this ways in theory, so, that's not what I want to hear, sorry.

What I want to know is how to get the right resistor values to use the SK170 for an I/V-conversion. You see my problem? It is more like coming from theory to practice.

Raphael

rfbrw · 11th April 2007, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AudioAngel
Hello,

I'm not shure where to place this question so I placed it here hoping for help.
I want to make a I/U-converter with a 2SK170 JFET. I've seen, there are some schematics but what I want to now is the math behind to setup the circuit for another DAC. Can someone explain how to do that?
I think it is wise to give a concrete application so let's say my DAC delivers 7.8mA p-p and I want to use +30V for the positive and -30V for the negative voltage rail. So, how to go on?
Maybe this question is also interesting for other newbies...

Raphael

For a start you need to know a little more about the dac. You need to know the idle current at bipolar zero. You will also need some idea of the Idss of the FET in question.

AudioAngel · 18th April 2007, 03:08 PM

Ok, which DAC?
I decided to go for the PCM1794 at the end. But for testing an d building a prototype I want to use the PCM1798, which has only 4mA p-p.
For the PCM1798 the datasheet states out a center current of -3.5mA.
Concerning the Idss: I don't have an own idea. What I know from reading on the web, I think 4.7mA would be a good choice wouldn't it?
Can we go on with these values?

B Cullingford · 18th April 2007, 05:47 PM

Idss is not a choice but a property of the FET used - FETs have rather variable specs and so either the circuit has to be designed to allow for this or you have to select. A 2SK170 comes in several versions with a wide range of Idss.

So, to contridict myself, you have to choose: an Idss needed based on circuit design and then pick a suitable FET or FETs, or choose a FET and design a circuit to use the Idss of the FET.

I would be thinking common gate, and considering the input signal and the input impedance I wanted as starting points.

10th April 2007, 01:23 PM	#1
AudioAngel diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Verden	How to make I/U conversion with 2SK170 Hello, I'm not shure where to place this question so I placed it here hoping for help. I want to make a I/U-converter with a 2SK170 JFET. I've seen, there are some schematics but what I want to now is the math behind to setup the circuit for another DAC. Can someone explain how to do that? I think it is wise to give a concrete application so let's say my DAC delivers 7.8mA p-p and I want to use +30V for the positive and -30V for the negative voltage rail. So, how to go on? Maybe this question is also interesting for other newbies... Raphael

10th April 2007, 04:47 PM	#2
MaxS diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: France	Guten Tag Dude, In some cases, we use an 1 Ω resistor so the voltage is the true picture of current. This resistor was called Rshunt and i remember to have read on the board what their value are given by the datasheet. Cheers, Max. __________________ Ca marche pas ! Tu ne l' as pas branché non plus ....

10th April 2007, 10:06 PM	#4
MaxS diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: France	Hi, Well is late, so i 'll made simple. They are two ways to command a transistor, by current, BJT. Or by voltage,FET and their sons. __________________ Ca marche pas ! Tu ne l' as pas branché non plus ....

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10th April 2007, 07:52 PM	#3
AudioAngel diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Verden	I'm not sure wether this answer is really helpful because it does not explain the circuits based on JFETs to do the I/U but that is what I want to know. Raphael

10th April 2007, 10:19 PM	#5
Nelson Pass The one and only Join Date: Mar 2001	There are three ways to use any 3 pin gain device. For I/V conversion, Common Gate is my preferred approach. Take a look at the I/V of the Pass Labs D1 - Common Gate, no feedback, works like glue.

11th April 2007, 07:05 AM	#6
AudioAngel diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Verden	Hello Nelson and Max, I know this ways in theory, so, that's not what I want to hear, sorry. What I want to know is how to get the right resistor values to use the SK170 for an I/V-conversion. You see my problem? It is more like coming from theory to practice. Raphael

18th April 2007, 03:08 PM	#8
AudioAngel diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Verden	Ok, which DAC? I decided to go for the PCM1794 at the end. But for testing an d building a prototype I want to use the PCM1798, which has only 4mA p-p. For the PCM1798 the datasheet states out a center current of -3.5mA. Concerning the Idss: I don't have an own idea. What I know from reading on the web, I think 4.7mA would be a good choice wouldn't it? Can we go on with these values?

18th April 2007, 05:47 PM	#9
B Cullingford diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California	Idss is not a choice but a property of the FET used - FETs have rather variable specs and so either the circuit has to be designed to allow for this or you have to select. A 2SK170 comes in several versions with a wide range of Idss. So, to contridict myself, you have to choose: an Idss needed based on circuit design and then pick a suitable FET or FETs, or choose a FET and design a circuit to use the Idss of the FET. I would be thinking common gate, and considering the input signal and the input impedance I wanted as starting points.

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