Noise when using input selector switch

Nuuk · 5th July 2006, 12:17 PM

I'm getting a loud noise when I use the rotary selector switch on a pre-amp that I ahve recently built.

I have checked that there is no DC on the input. The switch is a new one and is non-switching. It is a 4 pole 3 way and I am switching both signal and ground.

The signal goes from the switch via stepped attenuator to the input of the pre-amp circuit with no cap between them.

Can anybody suggest how to stop the noise please?

AndrewT · 5th July 2006, 12:28 PM

Hi,

Quote:

The switch is a new one and is non-switching.

what did you mean to say?

Is the switch make before break or break before make?

Break before make may allow a DC bias to be set up just during the instant of switch over.

Can you monitor the input signal immediately after the switch using a scope to see if a glitch is present?

Can the amp see/feel the presence of an open circuit on it's input during the switch over?

jan.didden · 5th July 2006, 12:39 PM

What is "loud noise"? Really noise (wideband), which could be oscillations, or hum, or what? Or is it a switching impulse noise?

Jan Didden

Nuuk · 5th July 2006, 12:45 PM

Oops, I did mean non-shorting rather than non-switching

I don't have a working scope here at present (just three old ones that need making into one working one when I can find the time).

The noise is what you get if you plug or unplug something in while the system is powered up. It's momentary and goes once the switch is in the next postion.

Would some 100K resistors across the input phonos help?

AndrewT · 5th July 2006, 12:58 PM

Hi,
I just posted another thread suggesting they fit 1M0 to 2M2 across the input/output RCA sockets.

Nuuk · 5th July 2006, 01:06 PM

Thanks Andrew, I'll give it a try.

damianl · 5th July 2006, 02:16 PM

try another its new but that dosnt mean to say its not broken

jan.didden · 5th July 2006, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nuuk
Oops, I did mean non-shorting rather than non-switching

I don't have a working scope here at present (just three old ones that need making into one working one when I can find the time).

The noise is what you get if you plug or unplug something in while the system is powered up. It's momentary and goes once the switch is in the next postion.

Would some 100K resistors across the input phonos help?

OK, what may be the case is that while switching you do momentarily interrupt the DC path from the input pin through ground, which normally is implicite via the switches and/or level control. I guess that is also what AndrewT is thinking?
Try the 100k (or better 10k) but directly from the input pin to ground. See if that makes a difference.

Jan Didden

Nuuk · 5th July 2006, 03:02 PM

Thanks Jan,

I tried 1M on all input and output pins but it made no difference. I'll try 10K and see what happens.

jan.didden · 5th July 2006, 03:24 PM

I mean input pin directly on the amp board, AFTER the switch, not the RAC input jack on the box. Just to be sure. Do you have a coupling cap?

Jan Didden

5th July 2006, 12:17 PM	#1
Nuuk diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Somerset, SW England	Noise when using input selector switch I'm getting a loud noise when I use the rotary selector switch on a pre-amp that I ahve recently built. I have checked that there is no DC on the input. The switch is a new one and is non-switching. It is a 4 pole 3 way and I am switching both signal and ground. The signal goes from the switch via stepped attenuator to the input of the pre-amp circuit with no cap between them. Can anybody suggest how to stop the noise please? __________________ The truth need not be veiled, for it veils itself from the eyes of the ignorant.

5th July 2006, 12:39 PM	#3
jan.didden diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Great City of Turnhout, Belgium Blog Entries: 6	What is "loud noise"? Really noise (wideband), which could be oscillations, or hum, or what? Or is it a switching impulse noise? Jan Didden __________________ It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts - Sherlock Holmes Check out Linear Audio Vol 5!

5th July 2006, 12:45 PM	#4
Nuuk diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Somerset, SW England	Oops, I did mean non-shorting rather than non-switching I don't have a working scope here at present (just three old ones that need making into one working one when I can find the time). The noise is what you get if you plug or unplug something in while the system is powered up. It's momentary and goes once the switch is in the next postion. Would some 100K resistors across the input phonos help? __________________ The truth need not be veiled, for it veils itself from the eyes of the ignorant.

5th July 2006, 01:06 PM	#6
Nuuk diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Somerset, SW England	Thanks Andrew, I'll give it a try. __________________ The truth need not be veiled, for it veils itself from the eyes of the ignorant.

5th July 2006, 03:02 PM	#9
Nuuk diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Somerset, SW England	Thanks Jan, I tried 1M on all input and output pins but it made no difference. I'll try 10K and see what happens. __________________ The truth need not be veiled, for it veils itself from the eyes of the ignorant.


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5th July 2006, 12:58 PM	#5
AndrewT diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Scottish Borders	Hi, I just posted another thread suggesting they fit 1M0 to 2M2 across the input/output RCA sockets.

5th July 2006, 02:16 PM	#7
damianl diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2006	try another its new but that dosnt mean to say its not broken

5th July 2006, 03:24 PM	#10
jan.didden diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Great City of Turnhout, Belgium Blog Entries: 6	I mean input pin directly on the amp board, AFTER the switch, not the RAC input jack on the box. Just to be sure. Do you have a coupling cap? Jan Didden __________________ It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts - Sherlock Holmes Check out Linear Audio Vol 5!

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