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HP stage modulates rails in tape deck. How can I reduce this problem?
HP stage modulates rails in tape deck. How can I reduce this problem?
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Old 12th April 2006, 09:36 PM   #1
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Default HP stage modulates rails in tape deck. How can I reduce this problem?

Evening, all.

I don't seem to be having much luck searching for an answer to this, although it's presumably a simple fix ('simple' being my middle name ).

As the volume level to the phones rises, the modulation of the rails to the HP stage increases and shows up very clearly on my 'scope screen. It also modulates the rails to the playback amp, though to a lesser extent.

The rails to pretty much all the audio circuitry are regulated by a single JRC 7808 and JRC 7908. I changed the input caps to 4700uF from 1000uF and moved the 1000Uf caps to the regs' outputs (where there were originally 47uF caps). Initially, this seemed to cause some stability problems (varying output voltage when checked with a DMM), but this later appeared to be caused by dirty connections, and the problem vanished with a bit of switch cleaner. I was only interested in the rails to the PB amp at the time, so didn't check what was happening elsewhere, and the change of caps reduced the noise on the rails.

I suppose my question is, what does the modulation on the rails indicate? The tape deck (a Denon DRS-710 cheapo that I'm using for a bit of electronics practice) seems to be characterised by loooonnngg traces from the regs' outputs to points all over the PCB, with virtually no local decoupling (do I mean decoupling or bypassing? Never been sure what the difference is). There are no caps (say 47uF at 16V) anywhere near the HP stage, that's for sure. I haven't tried replacing the original caps around the regs, but I might give that a try tomorrow if it looks as if it might be the culprit.

I notice a resistor in series with the output of each reg. I haven't checked the value, but is this likely to be there as an anti-oscillation measure? Presumably it doesn't help the regs' output impedance much.

Do I need to fit some capacitors close to the HP stage (for a bit of extra energy storage), as I'm assuming the HP stage is drawing sufficient current through long traces to modulate the rails? I haven't checked what the various other audio-related ICs' rails look like, but I'd imagine it's not impressive.

Any help much appreciated (especially if I'm barking up the wrong tree).

Cheers, Jon.
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