dc-servo and inverted signal

Onvinyl · 24th February 2006, 10:14 AM

Hi,
is there a way to use an dc-servo for an audio-opamp if I use the opamp in inverted mode?
If I would use that walt jung servo (Page 26 / 6.24 Fig. 6.17), one would get a low-pass around 40Hz (39.2k/0.1uF) attanuated by 1M for a given signal.
If there are more, or even more serious drawbacks I'd like to know...
The offset I have to deal with is aprox. 20mV, so I guess it will be next to useless to feed the compensation pins (1/5), right?
So, any hints for me?
Rüdiger

AndrewT · 24th February 2006, 11:30 AM

Hi,
40Hz lowpass filter sounds too high for DC servo.

I would expect about 1Hz

Onvinyl · 24th February 2006, 11:35 AM

Andrew,
I did not mean the servo-F, but if you connect the servos output to the summing point, and feed the signal to that inverted input, the signal in turn sees that low-pass, meaning, only Fs under 40 Hz will pass unattanuated, and that would barley be acceptable.
Rüdiger

AndrewT · 24th February 2006, 12:08 PM

Hi On,
the servo will try to remove most of your bass signals with the filter set that high.

It does not matter whether you go inverting or non inverting.

Onvinyl · 24th February 2006, 12:26 PM

Andrew,
not the filter is set that high, the filter is around 1,5Hz with (1M/0.1uF). But the output of the servo (you've got to look the provided link) serves as an unwanted input when using inverted topo.
Rüdiger

peranders · 24th February 2006, 12:41 PM

Inverting or non-inverting, it doesn't matter.

If you check my gainclone you can see how I have done. The pcb can handle both inverting and non-inverting amps with or without DC-servo.

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-50719/hifi/gainclone

Why don't you test my simulation? I have used the freeware LTSpice from www.linear.com

Onvinyl · 24th February 2006, 04:43 PM

Hi Peranders,
I will check your files before asking more silly questions

What a good practice to post sim-files, thanks!
Rüdiger

Onvinyl · 28th February 2006, 07:48 AM

Peranders,
all my issues are solved with your files, thanks a lot!
Rüdiger

peranders · 28th February 2006, 08:17 AM

A DC-servo is just an active feedback element and this is very pedagogical if you simulate it. You'll notice also that care must be taken if the servo has less supply voltage than the main amp.

What happends if you put out 10-20 Hz at full power? You must deside for yourself lower limit in frequency at full output power when the servo is not yet saturated => distortion.

24th February 2006, 10:14 AM	#1
Onvinyl diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Germany	dc-servo and inverted signal Hi, is there a way to use an dc-servo for an audio-opamp if I use the opamp in inverted mode? If I would use that walt jung servo (Page 26 / 6.24 Fig. 6.17), one would get a low-pass around 40Hz (39.2k/0.1uF) attanuated by 1M for a given signal. If there are more, or even more serious drawbacks I'd like to know... The offset I have to deal with is aprox. 20mV, so I guess it will be next to useless to feed the compensation pins (1/5), right? So, any hints for me? Rüdiger

24th February 2006, 11:30 AM	#2
AndrewT diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Scottish Borders	Hi, 40Hz lowpass filter sounds too high for DC servo. I would expect about 1Hz __________________ regards Andrew T.

24th February 2006, 12:08 PM	#4
AndrewT diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Scottish Borders	Hi On, the servo will try to remove most of your bass signals with the filter set that high. It does not matter whether you go inverting or non inverting. __________________ regards Andrew T.

28th February 2006, 08:17 AM	#9
peranders Electrons are yellow and more is better! diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Göteborg, Sweden Blog Entries: 4	A DC-servo is just an active feedback element and this is very pedagogical if you simulate it. You'll notice also that care must be taken if the servo has less supply voltage than the main amp. What happends if you put out 10-20 Hz at full power? You must deside for yourself lower limit in frequency at full output power when the servo is not yet saturated => distortion. __________________ /Per-Anders (my first name) or P-A as my friends call me

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24th February 2006, 11:35 AM	#3
Onvinyl diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Germany	Andrew, I did not mean the servo-F, but if you connect the servos output to the summing point, and feed the signal to that inverted input, the signal in turn sees that low-pass, meaning, only Fs under 40 Hz will pass unattanuated, and that would barley be acceptable. Rüdiger

24th February 2006, 12:26 PM	#5
Onvinyl diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Germany	Andrew, not the filter is set that high, the filter is around 1,5Hz with (1M/0.1uF). But the output of the servo (you've got to look the provided link) serves as an unwanted input when using inverted topo. Rüdiger

24th February 2006, 04:43 PM	#7
Onvinyl diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Germany	Hi Peranders, I will check your files before asking more silly questions What a good practice to post sim-files, thanks! Rüdiger

28th February 2006, 07:48 AM	#8
Onvinyl diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Germany	Peranders, all my issues are solved with your files, thanks a lot! Rüdiger

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