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Old 8th February 2009, 08:00 AM   #13951
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I don't think everything always has to be 'voiced' by ear, but it can help, sometimes. For many years, I relied on measurements, both normal and exotic, and still did pretty well. Then I built a power amp that my associates found wanting, subjectively, yet it measured very well. I learned then, that measurements are not everything. I have found that it is avoiding certain passive parts is what makes the most difference, for my designs.
 
Old 8th February 2009, 08:37 AM   #13952
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I don't think everything always has to be 'voiced' by ear, but it can help, sometimes. For many years, I relied on measurements, both normal and exotic, and still did pretty well. Then I built a power amp that my associates found wanting, subjectively, yet it measured very well. I learned then, that measurements are not everything. I have found that it is avoiding certain passive parts is what makes the most difference, for my designs.

Hello John,

With things that I build I have found that unless you use a proper full range monitoring speaker which is set up properly that you are waisting your time when it comes to evaluation. By proper full range monitor I mean a minimum of a 3 way speaker, bass driver , mid range and tweeter, anything less than this is not good enough for evaluating a product that needs to sound good on most systems. I dont think that two way speakers cut the mustard for evaluation purposes, and its very easy to be fooled into thinking your product sounds good only to find it does not translate the same way into other peoples systems.

With full range speakers you can here things that you cannot possible here on a two way speaker , because it is more revealing.

By the way I agree with you on the impact that passives have on the sound of amplifiers.

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I use my WATT 1's with a sub. It is VERY revealing. Too much for some.
 
Old 8th February 2009, 09:26 AM   #13954
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I would like to know what kind (technology, manufacturer) of Re emitter resistors in power output stages are recommended (0.1R - 0.22R values). IMO they make a big difference. Their inductance contributes to stability/instability in a high degree, as well as PCB tracks to/from them.
 
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I would like to know what kind (technology, manufacturer) of Re emitter resistors in power output stages are recommended (0.1R - 0.22R values). IMO they make a big difference. Their inductance contributes to stability/instability in a high degree, as well as PCB tracks to/from them.
I did measure some power resistors in the past - many have very measurable distortion at 1 A current level (0.01-0.1%). I don't have results now - perhaps one day I will repeat my experiment.

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I would like to know what kind (technology, manufacturer) of Re emitter resistors in power output stages are recommended (0.1R - 0.22R values). IMO they make a big difference. Their inductance contributes to stability/instability in a high degree, as well as PCB tracks to/from them.
I have always had best results with non-inductive diy wirewounds using nice copper wire.
 
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I did measure some power resistors in the past -
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Old 8th February 2009, 01:48 PM   #13959
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These *may* be interesting curves, but I have no idea what it is, how it is measured, etc, so at this point it isn't very usefull.

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Old 8th February 2009, 02:02 PM   #13960
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is that overshoot due to self inductance of a spiral wound resistor? Would wirewound and metal film be equivalent in this case?

Would carbon film also have some self inductance if spiral cut?
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