..... but have you listened to First Watt? As you see in my review, see below, Pass' stuff has complex measurement results and if you had just looked at the diagrams Pass' stuff must be but the reviewers find otherwise..... so measurements must be together with real use also.PMA said:I have already compared B, AB and AB with error correction. For me the question has been answered.
peranders said:
..... but have you listened to First Watt? As you see in my review, see below, Pass' stuff has complex measurement results and if you had just looked at the diagrams Pass' stuff must be but the reviewers find otherwise..... so measurements must be together with real use also.
P-A,
You make the implicit assumption that the pos reviewers view is caused by the sound quality only. Do you have any proof for that ?
Jan Didden
As long it's not blind tests I don't trust the reviewer particulary much. Johannes , it's a shame that you can't read the original but there are some many words and it sounds rather ridiculous when you search for english words. In many cases there are very very very small differences but the opinion is HUGE differences.
peranders said:As long it's not blind tests I don't trust the reviewer particulary much.
any review that isn't done objectively has limited value as a review.
Upupa Epops said:By my personal experience are many reviwers total deaf and they don't know, what they CAN listen....Manytimes they sit at backside in front of BIG NAMES....
Writing big names as BIG NAMES gives me the concern that you are inpressed by BIG NAMES possibly more than by the sound?
Jan Didden
I have never heard an amplifier that measured bad and sounded excellent. As opposite, when amp that measured well sounded bad, it had always been an incomplete set of measurements that was misleading.
On the other hand - I use classical music (mostly philharmonic orchestra) to evaluate audio products. For this reason, solutions like 300B, primitive SE class A etc. fail during these tests. It may happen that people listening only to club jazz or one instrument show prefer distorting stuff, but this is quickly demasked by complex music.
On the other hand - I use classical music (mostly philharmonic orchestra) to evaluate audio products. For this reason, solutions like 300B, primitive SE class A etc. fail during these tests. It may happen that people listening only to club jazz or one instrument show prefer distorting stuff, but this is quickly demasked by complex music.
Upupa Epops said:Jan, I have my ears on my head, not on my back side ....
Upupa, I wasn't talking about your ears. I was talking about that stuff between them
Jan Didden
PMA said:[snip]On the other hand - I use classical music (mostly philharmonic orchestra) to evaluate audio products. For this reason, solutions like 300B, primitive SE class A etc. fail during these tests. It may happen that people listening only to club jazz or one instrument show prefer distorting stuff, but this is quickly demasked by complex music.
Pavel,
Exactly my experience. When I go to audio shows (which is not very often, but sometimes I get this masochist urge) I try to convince exhibitors of "simple" amps to play large, massive orchestral works. They invariably refuse, saying they don't have these CDs with them. Luckily, I do. But they still refuse.
Years ago I had a fight (conversationally) with an Audio Note guy when they presented their little system, I forgot the type. At the end I was asked to leave the booth as I was "keeping other visitors from listening".
Jan Didden
PMA said:
On the other hand - I use classical music (mostly philharmonic orchestra) to evaluate audio products....
...but this is quickly demasked by complex music.
Bottom line is that IM is the main distortion to look for...
At least this is my opinion.
PMA said:
No, I have not. The class A is superior, but a little bit hot when designed for higher power.
how's 800 wpc sound to you
janneman said:
Pavel,
Exactly my experience. When I go to audio shows (which is not very often, but sometimes I get this masochist urge) I try to convince exhibitors of "simple" amps to play large, massive orchestral works. They invariably refuse, saying they don't have these CDs with them. Luckily, I do. But they still refuse.
Years ago I had a fight (conversationally) with an Audio Note guy when they presented their little system, I forgot the type. At the end I was asked to leave the booth as I was "keeping other visitors from listening".
Jan Didden
Jan,
I am very glad that Upupa and me are not the only "fools" here Then - what is the sense of "sound" disputes? Can the forum bring any judgement? Certainly not. But it allows to meet interesting people
janneman said:
Pavel,
Exactly my experience. When I go to audio shows (which is not very often, but sometimes I get this masochist urge) I try to convince exhibitors of "simple" amps to play large, massive orchestral works. They invariably refuse, saying they don't have these CDs with them. Luckily, I do. But they still refuse.
Years ago I had a fight (conversationally) with an Audio Note guy when they presented their little system, I forgot the type. At the end I was asked to leave the booth as I was "keeping other visitors from listening".
Jan Didden
listening or rewieving SE amp WITHOUT horn speakers is same as rewieving decent SS amp with nail instead speaker.
to each his own
in any case- audiophooling is desease ?!
smarta**ing is just other word for same thing
choky said:
listening or rewieving SE amp WITHOUT horn speakers is same as rewieving decent SS amp with nail instead speaker.
Have you tried to listen philharmonic orchestra recording through horn speakers?
janneman said:but sometimes I get this masochist urge
I always dress in black leather, makes audio shows soooo much nicer.
My question is why not each to his own? Just because someone else likes a SE amp or you like a 1000W class D doesn't really make it bad . I'm not much into the idea that one size fits all. The Scientific Method is great but it often doesn't do a good job of figuring in the Human Experience. But this is just my 2 cents ... anyways..
Naz
Naz
PMA said:
Have you tried to listen philharmonic orchestra recording through horn speakers?
yes.
and what is wrong with that?
mine is bigger than yours or vice-versa?
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