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Old 14th September 2005, 12:48 PM   #1
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Default I need help from Portugal, informs related Portuguese equipment brands and more....

I need some help related "how to obtain" general informations about Portugal.

Of course i want to know the Portuguese Electronic factories, but needing something more special.

Help...Socorram-me irmãos Portuguêses!

My best Friend, Mr. Paulo Lima (has Portuguese Ancestors as everybody here) and his wife, are studying the possibility to Imigrate to Portugal.

She is PHD in Administration (Administração de Empresas)...e êle tem curso superior na mesma área...ambos com 34 anos.

Both have 34 years old, and she is working in one Brazilian Governemnt enormous University, beeing a teacher... She has PHD and the income is around 2K dollares...and this is enormous money here!

He is working for a Petrol Company, a stranger Petrol Company and his income is 1000 dolares.

Well, they are thinking to emigrate, having the idea that Portugal is extremelly rich, because member of European Communitty, and i have my doubts if Portugal is really in good position with near "economic monsters" as Germany, Italy, French and others.

As Paulo's wife has better conditions to find an employment using contacts made in Brazil, to be a teacher in some Portuguese University, because of PHD and because she is the second generation of a Portuguese Family that imigrate to brazil recently..around 1940...she already enter the documents to be a Portuguese Citizen, but he will have a little more problems, as he have not documents to prove his Portuguese Ancestors (no doubt Lima is Portuguese name)..but he will go as "husband" only, needing to wait 6 monthes to start to work.

Well, they are thinking that Portugal is wonderfull, that have any problems, that everybody has beautifull jobs, and income is magnificent and social ensurance perfect...that Portugal have not corruption and have not big problems.

I am watching RTP, and i could see that the true is not really this way..there are problems, industries moving to east Europe, because hard to pay employees in Portugal...so... employment is going down...competition inside Europen Comunitty is hard, and some problems are appearing... weather problems, fires in Portugal, industries of costums are closing their doors...fish industry having problems and exportation not so big...wines having competition with France, Italy and Germany... Military personal on strike for more decent payment..so...things do not seem to be so beautifull as my friend is thinking....i am afraid that he can reach some desilusion.

As living with his income here , he is some kind of king, he can pay wonderfull appartment in front of the beach...he can have a Maid to help him full time... he has two cars, 5 televisions, 6 sound systems, many photographic cameras and have a confortable life, going to travel in the weekends and going to dinner in good restaurants, travelling using airplane to visit friends...well..he can do that and put in his reserve 1000 dolares each month easy!.... and expending money really hard...going out everyday to spend money in restaurants....spending really!..so...a very confortable life.

He is watching the social security, someone told that if someone loose his job, social ensurance you pay 80 percent of his last income till he find a job...and better than that!.... Portuguese Government will search the job for him....well, this is too good to be true...i have my doubts, may have limits, time limits and some problems inside this social ensurance program.

A friend, a girl gone and worked in Portugal taking care of Babies...she return telling wonderfull things...of course.... she was having place to sleep....food daily and payment free!...beeing something alike a full time maid and taking care of babies...cleaning house.... washing pants.... cooking and taking care of baby...hehe..of course!..doing so many things!...result free!...income free....nothing to pay!>..no light, no food, no bed to sleep...nothing!.

Well, there are many Portuguese guys in this forum.... so...i am asking you to inform the real sittuation of Portugal.... a fair description without pride...real thing!

As i want to inform him. before he start the procedure to go to Portugal, thinking in one way travel.

This thread will be send for some place.... well, i believe that will stay for some minutes, and can be time enougth to someone from Portugal read that.... i will also send direct mails to "all" Portuguese forum guys...to have all detailing informs possible..without passion and without Nationalism.

I thank you all...the moderators because the patiente with the Off Topic for audio....well.... more or less...i have also interest to know the Portuguese factories and amplifiers made in Portugal...but really..the biggest need are informations about Portugal conditions to emigration.

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Old 14th September 2005, 01:40 PM   #2
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Default All informs should be sent to my mail..or put it here if you prefer this way.

But, take into account that this thread will be moved to a less visited place.

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Old 14th September 2005, 02:22 PM   #3
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Both have 34 years old, and she is working in one Brazilian Governemnt enormous University, beeing a teacher... She has PHD and the income is around 2K dollares...and this is enormous money here!

He is working for a Petrol Company, a stranger Petrol Company and his income is 1000 dolares.

Well, they are thinking to emigrate, having the idea that Portugal is extremelly rich, because member of European Communitty, and i have my doubts if Portugal is really in good position with near "economic monsters" as Germany, Italy, French and others.
Oi Carlos,

Any of these countries you mention, and some others in Europe are, of course, much richer than Portugal.
One thing we have in common (Brazil and Portugal) is that we speak the same language.

But in their position, and with their income (which is very good in Brazil and average in Portugal, for their work) I would not go abroad.
You can live very well in Brazil with that kind of money.
Here, life is much more expensive, and the extra income easily goes away with all the expenses.

There are lots of retired portuguese going to your beautiful country, because with the retirement from here one can live much better in Brazil.

We will continue this privately, I see something on my e-mail.

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Old 14th September 2005, 05:48 PM   #4
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Default Thank you Carlos, informs good, having Portuguese Amplifier schematics, pictures or

links, they will be interesting too...of course.

I thank you very much...MP3 audio sent to you, and i am preparing, with your permission, to mail to our Portuguese forum friends, to have more informations, that may be alike the one you sent... if we found some Portuguese diy material i will invite them to post here..if not, they will go to my direct mail.

I am preparing some massive documentation, to have the chance to convince my best friend not to kick big fat Charlie, and move to Portugal.

He is a very good friend, the best i made in my life.... around 20 years of good relatioship, without any figth, always the pleasure to have true conversations.

Now the guy appeared with this idea, of course, i have deep concerns with his intention to move....he is more young than i am, i have met him when a boy, finishing hi school, a radio amateur friend talking about UFO....he is something as a "son" to me.

Carlos, meu estimado, caso tenhas algo, publique, para sustentar essa thread por mais algum tempo.

Carlos, my dear, if you have something, related diy audio, from Portugal, please, publish it here, to keep this thread alive for more time, as i suspect it is beeing keept alive because enormous tollerance of friends i have...but they will cannot keep that sittuation for too long...help!...put something related audio for more a day alive!

My friend from Argentina, also Carlos, a very good professional of audio, already received the Justice Hammer!, as fabric for Speaker is something to Speaker forum....and we are something to other place if we do not incluse, as soon as possible, some Portuguese diy audio material..any professional Portuguese audio equipment, will help us to see what you have been doing in you country, and will give us some more time.......if not, they will, and with good reason, ahahahahaha!... "snuberize us!"

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Old 14th September 2005, 06:17 PM   #5
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Hi Carlos,

I loved your message, and I subscribe to practically everything you say there.
I'm going to answer your e-mail.

No, this is not the El Dorado.
As I said, with such an income, I would not get out of Brazil.
Now you have to be a real good friend and advise him what's best for his life and his family.
Now to answer to your e-mail...

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Old 14th September 2005, 06:35 PM   #6
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No, this is not the El Dorado.
As I said, with such an income, I would not get out of Brazil.
Now you have to be a real good friend and advise him what's best for his life and his family.
Now to answer to your e-mail...

Now it's three Carlos against the World!

What Carlos Destroyer means, I think, is that his friend expects to earn a much higher income when in Europe.

And to improve in other areas that may be better there: education, public health, stable economy, etc.

If I were younger I would start another immigration movement myself. And we have considered, with my wife, when we retire, to go to a different place. Spain and Portugal were two options, at least because we speak the languages.



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Since they have a decent income, they should visit Portugal first.
Even if it takes some sacrifice to pay for the trip. It could be a vacation, but also they should make appointments at potential employers, universities, etc. and see what the interest is and the salaries paid..Perhaps write to department heads... Then visit houses and apartments for sale and rent to see the costs. Not as much fun as being a tourist but if they don't want to bother with this then they are being very irresponsible.

I am also considering a move to another country, and it is a difficult decision. It is more difficult because I have visited the place many times and know that it isn't perfect.

For them it isn't a difficult decision because they are, well, ignorant and they can just imagine the situation as they want to. A great possibility is that jobs in their fields are quite difficult to get and as the various carlos' say, the cost of living might make their life MORE difficult than in Brazil..
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Now it's three Carlos against the World!

What Carlos Destroyer means, I think, is that his friend expects to earn a much higher income when in Europe.
Ok, let me put it this way: I am portuguese and I know what things cost here.
I know how much I pay monthly for my (normal) house, how much a normal car costs, how much the fuel costs, how much my kid's school costs and all the expenses.
I have friends and family that went to Brazil for holidays, and I've heard Carlos' (DestroyerX) private message to me.
I'm very sure that his friends can't make here the same kind of life they do in Brazil with that income.
Even if you double the income here, to rent a house with a sea view it's more like 1000€ and up, not $200 as Carlos says it costs in Brazil.
So, they would need both a much above average income here to have everything they have and what they are used to.
Doesn't seem an easy task.

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If I were younger I would start another immigration movement myself.
Me too.

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And we have considered, with my wife, when we retire, to go to a different place.
That's an option, maybe.

PS: I can't be more sincere. Portugal is a good place for those from rich European countries that have a large retirement income.
They come here and live very well.
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Old 14th September 2005, 08:04 PM   #9
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Ok, let me put it this way: I am portuguese and I know what things cost here.
I know how much I pay monthly for my (normal) house, how much a normal car costs, how much the fuel costs, how much my kid's school costs and all the expenses.
I have friends and family that went to Brazil for holidays, and I've heard Carlos' (DestroyerX) private message to me.
I'm very sure that his friends can't make here the same kind of life they do in Brazil with that income.
Even if you double the income here, to rent a house with a sea view it's more like 1000€ and up, not $200 as Carlos says it costs in Brazil.
So, they would need both a much above average income here to have everything they have and what they are used to.
Doesn't seem an easy task.

Sorry to disagree with CarlosDX, but you don't rent a house like that in Rio de Janeiro. And you may need a lot more than 1000€ for that too.

Prices in other Portuguese cities are probably lower, but certainly not in Lisbon. Expenses are probably lower where CarlosDX lives too, and house-help is certainly much cheaper in Brasil all over than in Portugal.

Going to a foreign country without a job and without some hope to get one soon is probably not a very good idea. That should be the main matter to think on.

Immigration is something I can personally talk about and certainly know a lot of. Far from an easy task if you are not very young.


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Old 15th September 2005, 01:26 AM   #10
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The Benz Micro LP top-of the range phono cartridge has the initials of the name of it's creator: a portuguese guy named Luis Pires.
He is the portuguese distributor of Benz Micro.

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