Pro's and con's of CCS circuit.

G · 30th September 2002, 12:50 AM

I'm looking for opinions of the constant current source in the schematic below. Is it good? Is it bad. Are there better ones? Your opinions (good or bad) are welcome. Thanks.

L Daniel Rosa · 30th September 2002, 03:43 AM

Well, hare's my bad opinion. I believe that a complementary arrangement offers some advantages. Of course, you'll try several options and form your own judgement.

mirlo · 30th September 2002, 04:15 AM

I posted this opinion in another thread:

Need help with tracking regulator adjustment. Please.

"I don't quite get the benefit of cascoding the Q3 current source with Q2; the output conductance of the current source shouldn't really matter because you have a 1K resistor and the load effectively shunting it anyway, and the cascode eats into the available voltage headroom before clipping."

Basically I think it is overkill, with the disadvantage of reduced headroom.

I would also wonder where are you going to get 3.5 V LEDs. They would have to be blue or white ones I'd think. Might it not be better to design for a green LED and reduce the 12 Ohm resistor accordingly?

-- mirlo

Kilowatt · 30th September 2002, 06:09 AM

Well, it's interesting.

I would much prefer not to use cascoded transistors like that, keeping as many junctions out of this as possible. And I'll bet it doesn't regulate any better than an ordianary dual transistor CCS, like is used in some of Slone's designs. I wouldn't use it.

mirlo · 30th September 2002, 07:04 AM

By this I assume you mean: use one transistor to sense the current in a resistor between its base and emitter and use its collector to drive the base of the second transistor [that actually passes the current.]

That is probably a better regulator, and also has more headroom than thie cascode.

But there is a possible advantage to the LED biasing. It may be possible to select an LED such that, its forward voltage will have similar temperature behavior to the Vbe of the BJT. Both junctions will have negative temperature coefficients of about 2 mV/K. The two transistor current source suffers from the negative tempco.

Kilowatt · 30th September 2002, 07:15 AM

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

Intersting thought with the LEDs (and here some people think LED=bad sound

). Might be worth some expirimenting.

Petter · 30th September 2002, 10:05 AM

I have standardized on using very large emitter (source) resistor to increase the compliance of a current source. I would think that this approach migh also benefit you in your application. So instead of dropping 3.5V or so on each leg, drop 7 volts or so over the sense resistor. I have at times dropped 20V and this is very effective ...

Petter

30th September 2002, 06:09 AM	#4
Kilowatt diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Harlowton, MT, USA	Well, it's interesting. I would much prefer not to use cascoded transistors like that, keeping as many junctions out of this as possible. And I'll bet it doesn't regulate any better than an ordianary dual transistor CCS, like is used in some of Slone's designs. I wouldn't use it. __________________ - "With power amplifiers, negative feedback is a good thing, and positive feedback can induce destructive oscillation, but with people, positive feedback is a good thing, and negative feedback can induce destructive oscillation"

30th September 2002, 07:04 AM	#5
mirlo diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Diego	ordinary dual transistor CCS By this I assume you mean: use one transistor to sense the current in a resistor between its base and emitter and use its collector to drive the base of the second transistor [that actually passes the current.] That is probably a better regulator, and also has more headroom than thie cascode. But there is a possible advantage to the LED biasing. It may be possible to select an LED such that, its forward voltage will have similar temperature behavior to the Vbe of the BJT. Both junctions will have negative temperature coefficients of about 2 mV/K. The two transistor current source suffers from the negative tempco.

30th September 2002, 07:15 AM	#6
Kilowatt diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Harlowton, MT, USA	Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Intersting thought with the LEDs (and here some people think LED=bad sound ). Might be worth some expirimenting. __________________ - "With power amplifiers, negative feedback is a good thing, and positive feedback can induce destructive oscillation, but with people, positive feedback is a good thing, and negative feedback can induce destructive oscillation"

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30th September 2002, 04:15 AM	#3
mirlo diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Diego	I posted this opinion in another thread: Need help with tracking regulator adjustment. Please. "I don't quite get the benefit of cascoding the Q3 current source with Q2; the output conductance of the current source shouldn't really matter because you have a 1K resistor and the load effectively shunting it anyway, and the cascode eats into the available voltage headroom before clipping." Basically I think it is overkill, with the disadvantage of reduced headroom. I would also wonder where are you going to get 3.5 V LEDs. They would have to be blue or white ones I'd think. Might it not be better to design for a green LED and reduce the 12 Ohm resistor accordingly? -- mirlo

30th September 2002, 10:05 AM	#7
Petter diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Scandinavia	I have standardized on using very large emitter (source) resistor to increase the compliance of a current source. I would think that this approach migh also benefit you in your application. So instead of dropping 3.5V or so on each leg, drop 7 volts or so over the sense resistor. I have at times dropped 20V and this is very effective ... Petter

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