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Old 21st July 2005, 02:36 PM   #1
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Question Anyone familiar with this power amp?

It is a Pioneer M-5, I have no specs but only the picture of the insides.

What strikes me as odd is the following:

1) The heatsinks seem small comapred to all other components.
2) The output devices do not add up (assuming complementary) unless you also count the MT-200 devices on the other heatsink.

3) Why is the other heatsink different?
4) 2 Trannies, but 3 Power caps???

What kind of topology has 3 power caps and different kinds of heatsink for output devices (assuming they are output and not some fancy switch mode amp)?

More pictures and clues here (in Japanese): http://amp8.com/tr-amp/pioneer/m5.htm

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Old 21st July 2005, 08:53 PM   #2
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Hello,

To my mind, the output devices are on the little heatsinks. The schematics on the page you pointed shows four pairs of output devices and the amp is a monobloc as shown by the single VU meter on the face plate. So, all the eight output devices adds up on the HS.
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It's either a cascode or asymetrical bridge amp (like the Yamaha B2X). The outputs only run on ±6V
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Default Excuses mois monsier Scytales, I am sorry Mr. Scytales

But watching more close, i could see that power transistors are in the big heatsink, as more usual.

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The devices on the little sinks are the drivers, 4 in parallel.
These run in class A, the ones on the big sink are AB's.
Look at the emitter resistor value of the driver in the schematic.
Pioneer used big Sanken's in parallel on separate heatsinks to handle so much driver dissipation.
Probably the reason the capacitor between the heatsink bursted, i remember how hot the Exclusive series M5 felt.
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I took a look at the schematic on the link you posted,Arif:
there are two connections running from Q39 and Q40, these are the connections to the AB output stage.
As only one set is used as drivers, you have a low output class A stage and a high output class AB stage.
Which is not posted, probably because that part was working ok.
(i read the tech article of the Exclusive M5 at the time, also of the M10)
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Hi K-amps,
I understand how this works since I am working on this kind of output stage. I would love more information on this amplifier and voltage amp stage. Anyone have a manual they can scan?

Depending on the voltage amp stage, this has the promise of sounding really good. The small heatsinks should have the Q27 to Q30 plus Q33 and Q34 on them, It would be nice to have Q35 and Q36 on these also for thermal tracking. The large transistors on the heatsink are indead the outputs. It is a variation of a big diamond setup.

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The small U-shape sinks on the Toshiba's on the pcb you mean ?
Dont think you'll see many amplifier where you can place the circuit that clear on the pcb.
I love the ML style damping rings on the large resistors on the board, with plastic sleeving to keep their temperature constant.
You want to know their msrp?
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Hi Jacco,
I'm sorry, I don't see the U shaped heatsinks. I also do not have the complete schematic to look at. The link shows what I described above, so I'm kinda lost here.

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This looks like the front of the circuit, diodes on the heatsinks, signal from the drivers to the 8 device class A section.
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