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Old 4th August 2001, 04:32 PM   #1
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I am building a 6 channel amp for my MTM biamped speakers (one amp per driver). I have researched all the possibilities for power transformers (toroidal) and realized that it would be much more economical to buy one very large transformer (1000-1500VA) and just run all the amps off of one. My power requirements are relativly low, 20w of class A /channel that consume about 100W. I want to know if I can run multiple amps off of one transformer, or if 6 smaller discrete transformers would sound better, or maybe 3 or 2 or any other combo. Thank you for responding!
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Old 4th August 2001, 06:28 PM   #2
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or virtual ones anyway.

Try to set it up so you have separate transformers (or at least windings) for each channel. Also try to have two complete windings (i.e not center tap -- that is 3 wires instead of 4) because then you can reduce noise in ground.

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Old 4th August 2001, 06:56 PM   #3
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You could use two seperate transformers, one for each channel. Each transformer would be hooked up to three bridge rectifiers with and a set of capacitors for each supply.

But considering you are driving an MTM speaker four amplifiers should do, as both bass speakers in each channel carry the same information. Just build the bass amp with a bigger output section to handle the lower impedence of two drivers in parallel.

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Old 4th August 2001, 10:28 PM   #4
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I would do that, but unfortunatly my amp design creates very high distortion at 4 ohms (in the neighborhood of 1%). Also, it is quite low-powered, less than 20w/channel, so the more the merrier. But thanks for your advice, one trans/speaker
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Old 5th August 2001, 11:30 AM   #5
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One transformer would be fine.Most torroids have dual secondaries rather than a center tap.Use two bridge rectifiers per channel, one for the + supply and one for the - supply and you will have excellent isolation. Rectifiers are cheap and the one large transformer will have better regulation as well as being cheaper than several smaller transformers.This is the same technique used by ATI on their 5 channel amps.
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Old 5th August 2001, 07:07 PM   #6
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I think that the biggest problem here is that most Class-A amps have a fairly poor PSRR. Also, many designs (push-pull and single-ended/resistor source) tend to put lots of audio signal into the power supply. By using a single common transformer, and a common set of filter caps, you might end with a channel seperation of <40db.

The suggestion DJK gave for a single transformer, but seperate rectifiers and filter caps for each channel is a compromise. It will be much better than a common filter cap bank, but not as good as individual transformers. Using a PI filter in the filter bank (see ZEN Revisited at 'http://www.passlabs.com/projects/znret_2.htm') would clean it up to the point where the channel seperation would be as good as individual transformers, and the rejection of hum and line noise would be better.
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Old 5th August 2001, 09:06 PM   #7
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Maybe a good solution is to use a choke inductor to filter even better your power supply. A pi filter with two banks of caps and an inductor in series has very good results.
The best allways is to use seperate bridges and filtering for each channel and voltage as said before.
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Old 6th August 2001, 02:25 AM   #8
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OK, thank you all for your input. Hows this? 2 Transformers, one for each speaker, and seperate rectifiers AND Capacitors for each amp? Still, less than half the $$$ of getting 6 transformers.
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Old 6th August 2001, 02:42 AM   #9
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Sounds good. Seperate transformers for each channel should reduce crosstalk and improve seperation.

Good luck.

Jam

P.S. Or should I say " May the Force be with you".

[Edited by jam on 08-05-2001 at 09:45 PM]
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Old 6th August 2001, 10:59 PM   #10
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2 transformers with 3 sets of rectifiers and caps each sounds good. I'd still use a PI filter in the tweeter power supply though. A 2mH air core inductor wound from 14 gauge wire only costs $15.20 from Parts Express (18 gauge is only $5.90, but I wouldn't go that small). It should help a lot.

Also, the transformers should be fed off of seperate power filters. You should be able to find some good, hefty ones in a surplus shop. The input to the power filters can be connected together inside the chassis. An MOV and a 0.01uF/1KV bypass cap at that point would be useful.

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