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Old 29th May 2009, 02:13 PM   #1521
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I think that group buy ended long ago, but gerber files are still available from delta-audio.com
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Old 3rd March 2010, 07:52 AM   #1522
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Originally Posted by jacco vermeulen View Post
The way i see a transistor is as a resistor with a variable resistance depending on the voltage at the base.
In that sense the power capability depends on the temperature of the transistor, which gives a margin till the transistor core reaches the breakdown temperature.
Its resistance determines the voltage drop from collector to emitter, Vce.
A high resistance means high Vce, a high current through a high resistance means high dissipation, means higher core temperature.
Both parameters too high and max temperature is exceeded and the transistor dies.

Now if you keep the temperature of the transistor low, the device can handle more heat for certain time periods before it fries.
And if the current going through it does this for a short period of time, the transistor is able too cool down before it is thermally attacked again.
That is why transistors handle more current for shorter periods at the same Vce value(resistor value).
If the interval is twice as short the current can be higher because at the end of the time interval the transistor die can cool down again.


So, if you stay at a safe temperature for the transistors by cooling them decently with proper heatsinks and assume they will stay below the 50% temperature SOA line they will live if at any frequency currents are not too high for a certain interval.
That currents do not exceed the limit for certain durations is what i've shown in the previous posting by expressing frequencies in time intervals, and checking how high currents can be for a certain voltage drop over the transistors collector to emitter.

The Leach amplifier has a built-in current limiting circuit that reduces voltage level to the driver stage if the output current exceeds the maximum acceptable.
Under normal operation parameters a 6 device Leach can handle a 64 Vdc PS easily.
A lot better than a number of commercial amplifiers from the past, i could give you a number of examples.
I posted a picture of a protection circuit some time ago, that compares output voltage and output current.
If a combination of high Vce and high current exceeds the level that is acceptable the circuit triggers a relay to shut the output down.
imo, any BJT amplifier output stage can be killed, i would never use one without protection.
Unless you desire to build an amplifier that is able to drive the worst loudspeaker under tropical conditions, but then you are thinking of the old Thresholds, and the K-brand.
If you use a normal loudspeaker on the small Leach the amplifier has plenty reserves with 6 output devices.
Use horrible low impedance monsters and you should look at other designs with much higher device numbers.

I am building the Leach with 10 because it will drive Quad ESL's, which has a 2.4 Ohms impedance at low frequency level.
A 6 device Leach with such high voltage would be suicide on those loudspeakers.
If i cant get the vented heat tunnels cool enough to go deep in class A i'll add another 10 Toshiba 1302/3281.
But the Leach amplifier for me is a nice project to see how much i can tweak out of it with different settings, different devices and biased heavilly.
Hi Jacco,

I bought some 6 trans boards and never built them so i bought some 12 transistor borads recently and have been reading this thread looking for inspiration and idea on how to build it.
I like your plan to build balanced, class A and regulated supplies, did your project ever get of the ground? Im curious if its worth the extra effort for this amp.
Its probably time I built some regulated power supplies and thinking of doing a pcb which Ive never done before and see how this thing sounds heavily biased.
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Old 3rd March 2010, 08:35 AM   #1523
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Hi Luke,

I too bought the six boards too from this buy and after a number years I am just finishing the case and hard wiring etc ready to go live as they say. God I hope that I don't let any smoke out!!!

Anyway I have ended up using Bob Ellis regulated boards for the front end set at approx +/- 58 volts and output will be fed with approx +/- 54 - 56 volts. I just added extra windings to the transformers to get the extra voltage to the regulators. I am hoping that as the output from the transformer varies with load that the front end supply will remain stable regardless of what the output supply is doing.

If you want I can post some pic's of where I am up too.

I have also ordered four boards of the 12 version mainly because I have 19 of the output transistors left from the six boards (if no smoke appears of course) and I thought I would put them to good use and maybe get a 5.1 set up going fed by a HTPC!!!

Anyway it has been a great learning experience for me and if I can help just give me an email etc.

Cheers

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Old 3rd March 2010, 08:52 AM   #1524
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Hi Ian,

better late than never, some of my projects drag on a bit, but I usually get there with one or two exceptions. Post pics and show us what youve done.
So of the 6 boards you bought how many channels have you built, Im kind lost as to why you want another two for 5.1?
I will probably regulate teh back end as well, listened to a ML No331 and decided regulation is worht a crack.
Im thinking about a media player cos I dont want to spend the bucks on a HTPC, whats the benefit of a pc over media player?
Good luck.
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Old 4th March 2010, 02:29 AM   #1525
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Default Leach Amp progress.

Hi Luke here is the photo's of progress so far. Hopefully it spurs you and others into action so I have someone to bounce questions off when it comes to switch on etc.

P.S. you might notice that there is my other project to the LHS. I am calling this the purest side of my thinking. i.e. Zen9, symetrical B1, rear loaded horns and TT!!!

Hope you enjoy.

Ian
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Old 4th March 2010, 02:32 AM   #1526
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Regulator boards are attached to the filter cap brackets and soft start board is at front of centre partition.
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Old 4th March 2010, 03:48 AM   #1527
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Thats a really nice amp, what is the reg your using and I assume its for the front end? Im thinkink I will use LM317,337 for the frontend. How much to get a pair of those Conrads landed in NZ? Whats the white connector blocks for?
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Old 6th March 2010, 08:11 AM   #1528
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Hi Luke,

Hopefully it will live up to my expectations and by all accounts it should be a good one. (I will have to build some new speakers to go with it though).

The regulator is the one from Jens and Bob Ellis. It is intended as a +/- 15volt supply but with some alterations will go to 75 volts.

I am trying to upload the schematic but the file is too big so I am having dificulties.

The heat sinks were not that exspensive if I remember correctly. But I will add that as someone commented on the new thread these are not cheap amps to build. (Especially in NZ) I would have spent up to 1k on this one (mostly freight I mite add). And this has probably added to the length of time it has taken also.

But it is a hobby remember!!!!! (I keep telling myself)

Ian
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Old 6th March 2010, 11:52 AM   #1529
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Fantastic Loboone.

Yes - Hobby or obsession

Would be interesting to have someone do a writeup of their subjective opinion of the difference between regulated and non regulated frontend.

Mine sound good as is - but maybe ...
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Old 6th March 2010, 12:39 PM   #1530
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Loboone - I see Mosfet outputs in your picture but the circuit was designed for bipolars. Did you change the Vbe multiplier and gate stoppers? I have a set of boards stuffed but not tested for IRFP outputs, using a ZVN3310 in the Vgs multiplier to get the required bias voltage and swapped in 221R for the gate stoppers as the 3.3R or 10R used for bipolars won't help much.

Just trying to help keep the magic smoke in the packages, in case someone inexperienced sees your pictures and tries mosfet outputs without making changes.

Edit: Anyone wanting the regulator schematic and supporting documentation just email me. I've got some time on my hands and might be coaxed into another group buy if there is enough interest.

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