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EchoWars 10th January 2005 08:36 AM

Soundcraftsman MA5002 Bias
 
Manual says to adjust at 1/4W output to 0.1% THD. I do have an analyser, but seems a flaky way to set bias.

Anyone here got some experiance with these? Perhaps a suggestion on an actual bias current...?

(tempted to set it for abour 25-30mA and assume it's in the ballpark)

EchoWars 10th January 2005 11:02 PM

2nd page already?

Bump......

Enzo 11th January 2005 03:15 AM

The whole point of making the bias adjustable is to eliminate crossover distortion. WHy does using distortion measurements sound flaky?

EchoWars 11th January 2005 05:13 AM

Too much room for error...sloppy procedure.

A manufacturer should give you a specified current, and tell you where to measure it at, and give you a method of adjusting it. Anything else is half-@ssed.:yuck:

rob3262 13th January 2005 04:59 PM

I'll look forward to information on this one. I'm rebuilding my A5002 (nasty noise showing up on the ground plane). I don't have an analyzer, just DVM and scope.
- Rob

Netlist 13th January 2005 05:11 PM

Re: Soundcraftsman MA5002 Bias
 
Quote:

Originally posted by EchoWars
Manual says to adjust at 1/4W output to 0.1% THD. I do have an analyser, but seems a flaky way to set bias.

Thatís about the same procedure as Phase Linear used to explain us:
Connect a load, feed a very small signal, look at the scope and bias up till the crossover distortion disappears. I did many of them that way with good results.
One explanation could be that in fact you need nothing more or less than eliminating that distortion like Enzo said.
I agree its sometimes easier to measure the voltage over the emitter resistors but then again these old resistors tend to vary sometimes more then 10% which also resulted in inaccurate adjustments.

/Hugo :)

EchoWars 14th January 2005 07:22 AM

I measured the bias before I adjusted anything, and it came out to be a bit over 100mA on each channel. I backed it off to about 75mA, and I'll simply leave it there.


:xeye:

Enzo 15th January 2005 07:44 AM

As an authorized QSC repair center,(QSC is a maker of nicer pro audio gear) I am supposed to run the amp through an exhaustive procedure to set all the distortion levels, protection circuits and what all. It asks me to max the amp out just shy of limiting and use my distortion analyzer to adj for minimum dist.

parenthetically it ends with a brief note informing me that if I just can't make a distortion analyzer available or this might be an emergancy field repair or something that an approximateadjustment can be made measuring the voltage across the driver emmiter resistors.

If a strange amp comes through here blown up and there are no specs, we figure there is a window of "good" bias between the point where crosover disappears and the point where the draw drom the mains starts to climb. In the middle of that somewhere is close enough.

But really, I can't think of any reason to bias any hotter than the end of crossover other than to insure that one adjustment spec for all the amps would be in that window I described. SO all the amps will be 5-50% hotter than they need to be, but none will remain in crossover. That is how I look on current spec adjustment. While it is easier to adjust an amp to exactly so many milliamps, I think it is more accurate to adjust each amp to the crossover point thus allowing for the variations between units.

That is of course my opinion, not gospel.

Zero Cool 16th January 2005 03:11 PM

The SWR Bias procedure says to connect the amp to a 2 ohm load, inject a signal and turn it up to clip, then adjust bias to remove the crossover notch! Never seen it done that way before!

>75ma seems low to me??? i thought my PCR-800's ran closer to 400ma bias....I will have to dig out my schematics aagin, maybe im confused. But im pretty sure the calculation was 100ma of bias for each of the 4 mosfet output devices or something like that....


ZC

sam9 16th January 2005 04:51 PM

Quote:

The SWR Bias procedure says to connect the amp to a 2 ohm load, inject a signal and turn it up to clip, then adjust bias to remove the crossover notch! Never seen it done that way before!

A Speculation: That procedure may have been choosen to insure the distortion was easy to see. Since most amps have their lowest distortion at about 1kHz in to an 8-ohm load and at a middle power level -- testing it there might get results that are near the lower limits of many analysers and thus hard to read accurately.

The procedure quoted above would show a lot more distortion even at optimum, especially if you are using the technique of feeding the residual to an oscillioscope. Presumably optimal bias is virtually the same at all frequencies and at all outputs below clipping (after allowing the amp to reach a new thermal equilibrium). I HOPE that is a reasonable presumption - if not, optimum bias becomes a squishy concept


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