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JensRasmussen 3rd August 2004 06:44 PM

Another way of making the output section with class A predriver
 
Hello all,

I stumbled across this schematic while looking though some old service manuals. It is the output section of a 150W power amplifier.

http://www.delta-audio.com/temp_jens/Output_section.jpg
I like the way itís put together and thought I would share it for interested to use as inspiration for a new design.

\Jens

destroyer X 4th August 2004 01:33 PM

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phase_accurate 4th August 2004 02:13 PM

I don't see anything special within this topology (apart from looking "very Philips").

Regards

Charles

JensRasmussen 4th August 2004 05:09 PM

Charles,

No Philips in here ;)

What else do you see?

\Jens

Upupa Epops 4th August 2004 05:39 PM

What is device named as IC 1 ?

JensRasmussen 4th August 2004 05:45 PM

IC1=MPSA13

Datasheet here

\Jens

Steven 4th August 2004 08:02 PM

Indeed, a bit unconventional. Output stage is normal darlington, but bias setting is via resistors R94+95. Temperature compensation via IC1 and TR28, making a temperature dependent current sink. IC1 senses the current through R91. This results in a temperature dependent bias voltage across R94+95.
I don't see the benefit of this compared to a fixed current sink and Vbe multiplier as bias voltage source, though.
Another unusual thing is the driver, TR23, which is an emitter follower instead of the more common common-emitter stage (VAS). This might result in a-symmitrical driving of the output stage. The emitter follower can supply more current (positive edge) than the current sink can sink (negative edge).

Steven

jam 4th August 2004 08:09 PM

The schematic is probably from a B&O amplifier................my guess is probably the Penta powered loudspeaker.

JensRasmussen 4th August 2004 08:21 PM

Hey Jam, you know your vintage stuff ;)

\Jens

sajti 4th August 2004 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steven
Indeed, a bit unconventional. Output stage is normal darlington, but bias setting is via resistors R94+95. Temperature compensation via IC1 and TR28, making a temperature dependent current sink. IC1 senses the current through R91. This results in a temperature dependent bias voltage across R94+95.
I don't see the benefit of this compared to a fixed current sink and Vbe multiplier as bias voltage source, though.
Another unusual thing is the driver, TR23, which is an emitter follower instead of the more common common-emitter stage (VAS). This might result in a-symmitrical driving of the output stage. The emitter follower can supply more current (positive edge) than the current sink can sink (negative edge).

Steven


Mr. Hood used this type of thermal compensation in some desings. Not so common, but logical...
TR23 is separate the output stage from the VAS. Someone believes, that is reduce the distortion in the output stage, due the low impedance driving.

sajti


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