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5th May 2004, 04:53 AM  #1 
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VAS current calculation
how would you work out the required current for t he VAS stage?

5th May 2004, 06:48 AM  #2 
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A quick explanation.
The VAS stage operates in Class A. It should be able to drive the load looking into the base ( gate) of the output stage.
The current through the VAS should be a bit higher than this to accomodate any variations in load. A rough example. If you have one pair of (BJT) output transistors with driver transistors and a minimum expected load of 4 ohms and a voltage swing of 20 volts rms ( 50 watts into 8 ohms) , the peak current is about 7 amps ( into 4 ohms). If the current gain is about 1000 ( including the driver transistor) , the base current will be about 7mA into the drivers. A VAS running at 10mA would be a safe bet . Remember that this should be vaild at HF also and should include all components connected to the VAS stage. Better you check out a good book like one by Self ( also on the web !). Cheers. Ashok.
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6th May 2004, 07:17 PM  #3 
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thanks ashok..another small question..how do you work out the gain..how much is enough?..i know that the input resistor has to be the same as the feedback resistor, but how much gain is enough...and how do you work out the capacitor in the feedback path for unity DC gain?

9th May 2004, 02:49 AM  #4 
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For Bipolar outputs it can be calculated by Ashok's way, calculating Hfe, resulting the need of current in VAS.
What if the final stage is mosfets? How to calculate VAS current? 
9th May 2004, 02:23 PM  #5 
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If you have a MosFet output stage the required bias for the
VAS depends very much on the gate charge of the used MosFets and sometimes additional exterenal gatedraincaps. The available current from the VAS will limit the max possible slew rate under any condition. But normally this is not the critical point as the VAS is usually the stage with the dominant pole anyway... Additional you might consider that the gate charge behaviour is strongly nonlinear. So the driving impedance (output impedance of VAS) should comparably low. Sorry, I do not have simple rule of thumbs or tested examples.... Bye Markus 
9th May 2004, 05:31 PM  #6 
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OK another attempt.
demons_wing ,
With MOSFETS the load will primarily be the capacitance you see at the gate. This can vary depending on the way the circuit is configured. Lets assume that the total capacitance seen by the VAS stage is C . You now need to drive the highest frequency (f) of interest with a peak voltage of V volts. So to ensure you have enough slewing capability (dV/dt)at this frequency dV/dt = I / C where I is the qiescent current of the VAS stage. dV/dt is also = 2*pi*f*V So I=C*2*pi*f*V. The practical value of I should be slightly above this. I hope this is not an over simplification ! Don't forget that the stage driving the VAS will see the Miller Capacitance at the base of the VAS transistor. Something more to chew on ! Cheers.
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9th May 2004, 07:25 PM  #7 
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ashok...bohot shukriya...i really appreciate the help...you have explained theory very well...so that even i can understand ..i really appreciate that

10th May 2004, 02:25 AM  #8 
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Are those methods work also on determining the bias on Differential pairs?
Why there are designs that uses enormous bias current, up to 50mA, if much smaller than that is enough? Some said about linearity in single transistor. How important is this linearity issue? Or is there an optimal bias, unique for different transistor? I've experimented with changing VAS bias values, and there is difference. The smaller the bias, the sound seems tobe more detailed. The bigger bias the bandwith somehow like limited (the treble sound is more detailed with less bias current). I use bipolars for diff and VAS. Maybe other device will result differently with bias changing? 
11th May 2004, 06:29 PM  #9 
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so am i to assume that the VAS current requirement is based on the current requirements of the predriver stage?...that sounds fair...but is there a theoretical approach to this other than Hfe of the BJT and Cgs of the MOSFET?

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