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Old 26th January 2004, 11:44 AM   #11
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Default No verdict ....

Didn't post a verdict.

Have never built or heard one of Rod's amps, nor do I know him in any way. I have noticed a "mild" undercurrent of disfavour though ..... I do wonder where this comes from

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PS: Would be interested to hear if anyone has built one and willing to give an objective review.
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Old 26th January 2004, 12:29 PM   #12
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I'm surprised, that this told you, man who like unsimple and sophisticated circuity. This circuit was new thirty years ago and its distortion is for today too big. I never heard any Elliot's amps, but looking at schematic is enough for me, I have adequate experiences with amps and listening too .
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Old 26th January 2004, 12:35 PM   #13
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I have noticed a "mild" undercurrent of disfavour though ..... I do wonder where this comes from
Dunno....I've heard the P3A in several incarnations, and was impressed. Too lazy and too busy to do one myself.

He stands up there and takes pot-shots from all these Mon-morning Q-backs, yet precious few can come up with anything near as educational or aurally pleasing.

He does the DIY world a great service by publishing projects that can be tackled by nOObies, and for that he has my respect.
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Old 26th January 2004, 07:40 PM   #14
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I never heard any Elliot's amps, but looking at schematic is enough for me
If you can judge how an amp will sound directly from it's schematic then you are more talented than me. I generally like to hear a piece of equipment before passing judgement.

I have built Rod's P3A and one of his headphone amp designs as well as Project 85 (the SPDIF DAC) which is on his site but not one of his designs. They are uniformly good, if not exellent and easy to build to boot. Rod's amps aren't the only good ones and aren't perfect, but I wouldn't hesistate to recommend one of his designs.

I have not heard the P3B (might build one this weekend though) but I would guess it would be as good as his other designs.
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Old 27th January 2004, 07:15 AM   #15
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It's easy to estimate how this amp will have a sound : input transistors are BJT - in my experience much better sound have fets. VAS is simply and probably will have nonsymetricaly slew rate. Here is not any antisaturation circuit - by clipping amp will have problems, all stages will be highly saturated ( 25 W amp is easy to get to the limitation ). Voltage rails for input and VAS have the same filtration as output stage - probably problems with SNR. No " electronic fuse " and recomented fuse 3 A on rails is for this output power too big - if you do short on output, then blows, output devices will be on silicon heaven . This amp is still relatively good and probably easy to made and stabil, but I don't like simply solutions - I certainly realize, that somebody have opposite view.
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Old 27th January 2004, 07:35 AM   #16
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I'm surprised, that this told you, man who like unsimple and sophisticated circuity. This circuit was new thirty years ago and its distortion is for today too big. I never heard any Elliot's amps, but looking at schematic is enough for me, I have adequate experiences with amps and listening too .
What about Hugh's and Pass' stuff if we talk distortion, bandwidth etc.?

OK, some stuff is old, but tell me what is really new?

I gather that Rod had a certain goal here and that was few parts (= easy to build). My goals are totally different.
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Old 27th January 2004, 08:56 AM   #17
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I can't talk about Pass - for my ears all his product have unacceptable distortion and I mean, that " behind mask " he is giggle, 'cos he knows it too. What is new ? I mean, that you, same as I, are looking into datasheets of modern opamps and some patents, 'cos news are there .
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I can't talk about Pass - for my ears all his product have unacceptable distortion and I mean, that " behind mask " he is giggle, 'cos he knows it too. What is new ? I mean, that you, same as I, are looking into datasheets of modern opamps and some patents, 'cos news are there .
I can't be sure of course but I think there are people who think differently.
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Old 27th January 2004, 09:14 AM   #19
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Old 27th January 2004, 09:59 AM   #20
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Everyone may be entitled to their own oppinion, but generaly it is far more sensible for the person giving that oppinion to actualy have some experience of what they are talking about. For example, I had never eaten haggis before sunday night (and the ingreedients in that "sound" truely disgusting, even down the sheep's stomach it is cooked in), but as I had never tasted it before I remained open minded about what it might be like (as surely people wouldn't make it if it was that bad). And; perhaps supprisingly, I was amazed to find that it tasted very nice (one of the few good things about Burn's night in fact).

So, perhaps here it would be fairer to at least try the thing you are proclaiming to know about before casting your judgement; as not all of your coments seem to make sense to me (especialy the coments about the circuit becoming saturated, as it is clearly pointed out that this is a lower power version of a proven design, so why should it have any trouble opperating at a lower power level?).
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