Does anybody know a little bit more about the Sanken SAP15 transistors ?
They are 5 legged audio darlington power transistors, where the emitter resistor and some diodes for the bias are already incorporated. A pair of them will give (together with a trim pot for bias adjust) a full power section of an audio amplifier.
(More at the datasheets from the Sanken webpages).
Quite a few manufacturers seem to use this items nowadays, just to mention the Cambridge Audio integrated amps.
Any experiences ? And where can I get them ? They do not seem to be listed with farnell or rs-components.
Klaus
They are 5 legged audio darlington power transistors, where the emitter resistor and some diodes for the bias are already incorporated. A pair of them will give (together with a trim pot for bias adjust) a full power section of an audio amplifier.
(More at the datasheets from the Sanken webpages).
Quite a few manufacturers seem to use this items nowadays, just to mention the Cambridge Audio integrated amps.
Any experiences ? And where can I get them ? They do not seem to be listed with farnell or rs-components.
Klaus
Hi,
Farnell sell them:
SAP15N (NPN) - part no 4103749
SAP16P (PNP) - part no 4103750
The datasheet for these can be found via the Allegro website, although Farnell have it here: http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/33895.pdf
Also, you can buy them from Rapid Electronics (http://www.rapidelectronics.co.uk/) - last time I compared prices, they were slightly cheaper than Farnell.
I know that Arcam use them in the A85, which is a very well-regarded amplifier in the sub £1000 arena. I'd be interested to hear which other commercial amps use them... I'm seriously thinking about trying them, because they really simplify the output stage - has anyone else considered them?
Cheers,
Mark
Farnell sell them:
SAP15N (NPN) - part no 4103749
SAP16P (PNP) - part no 4103750
The datasheet for these can be found via the Allegro website, although Farnell have it here: http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/33895.pdf
Also, you can buy them from Rapid Electronics (http://www.rapidelectronics.co.uk/) - last time I compared prices, they were slightly cheaper than Farnell.
I know that Arcam use them in the A85, which is a very well-regarded amplifier in the sub £1000 arena. I'd be interested to hear which other commercial amps use them... I'm seriously thinking about trying them, because they really simplify the output stage - has anyone else considered them?
Cheers,
Mark
They are available from Profusion
http://www.profusionplc.com/scripts/wsisa.dll/pcatlst?ipartno=all&imanuf=sanken&itypes=all
Around 3 Euro +VAT, free shipping (AFAIK).
http://www.profusionplc.com/scripts/wsisa.dll/pcatlst?ipartno=all&imanuf=sanken&itypes=all
Around 3 Euro +VAT, free shipping (AFAIK).
Excellent info!!
If you guys allow me to deviate a bit,
By the same Token, does anyone know an alternate to the custom devices Sanken made for the Kenwood class-G, DLD amps?
They are also 5 legged in MT-200 pack. Part numbers are.
DAT1018N
DAT1018P
DAT1521N
DAT1521N
Data sheets or subs or any other info would help. The issue is, the local Kenwood distributors sell these for $45 to $53 a piece!
Thanks!
If you guys allow me to deviate a bit,
By the same Token, does anyone know an alternate to the custom devices Sanken made for the Kenwood class-G, DLD amps?
They are also 5 legged in MT-200 pack. Part numbers are.
DAT1018N
DAT1018P
DAT1521N
DAT1521N
Data sheets or subs or any other info would help. The issue is, the local Kenwood distributors sell these for $45 to $53 a piece!
Thanks!
I have bought a broken Marantz SR 5400 6 channel receiver. Nice, spaceous case, big transformer, plenty of space to put in an active crossover...
It uses SAP17 transistors. I have not been able to find a data sheet - anybody have one?
It is also not clear from the data sheet of the Sanken SAP15 and 16 transistors, whether they are comparable in speed and hfe linearity to their great LAPT devices.
Their hfe linearity does not look too good, but this might actually be due to unsufficient bias in the drivers in this measurement configuration.
It also bothers me that one cannot have a single resistor between the bases of the power transistors if one connects them the way Sanken intends. However, by using directly connecting an external 0.22 R resistor to each sense lead, it would be possible to have this better topology.
It uses SAP17 transistors. I have not been able to find a data sheet - anybody have one?
It is also not clear from the data sheet of the Sanken SAP15 and 16 transistors, whether they are comparable in speed and hfe linearity to their great LAPT devices.
Their hfe linearity does not look too good, but this might actually be due to unsufficient bias in the drivers in this measurement configuration.
It also bothers me that one cannot have a single resistor between the bases of the power transistors if one connects them the way Sanken intends. However, by using directly connecting an external 0.22 R resistor to each sense lead, it would be possible to have this better topology.
SAP15N AND SAP15P
THOSE ARE AVALAIBLE AT AUDIOLAB OF GA http://audiolabga.com/.
FOR $11.00 EACHS.CAN BE BUY TOO AT PACIFIC SEMI http://pacificsemi.com/index.html FOR $4.00 EACH BUT THEY ARE OUT OF STOCK RIGHT NOW. THEY ARE USED IN CAMBRIDGE P5OO POWER AMP.. Jeff.
THOSE ARE AVALAIBLE AT AUDIOLAB OF GA http://audiolabga.com/.
FOR $11.00 EACHS.CAN BE BUY TOO AT PACIFIC SEMI http://pacificsemi.com/index.html FOR $4.00 EACH BUT THEY ARE OUT OF STOCK RIGHT NOW. THEY ARE USED IN CAMBRIDGE P5OO POWER AMP.. Jeff.
Hello,
My cambridge A500RC has an audio channel that doesn't work anymore. I opened it and saw that one of the transistors is dead. It says: SK SAP15 NY 1914.
I was able to find a SAP15 with your help (thanks guys) but the last number of the part is different. Is it important or can I just buy a SAP15NY XXXX?
Thanks a lot,
-Jerome
My cambridge A500RC has an audio channel that doesn't work anymore. I opened it and saw that one of the transistors is dead. It says: SK SAP15 NY 1914.
I was able to find a SAP15 with your help (thanks guys) but the last number of the part is different. Is it important or can I just buy a SAP15NY XXXX?
Thanks a lot,
-Jerome
why don't look at sanken web site?
Sanken (Japaness) makes best transistor for audio, SAP15 is their darlinton pairs,
http://www.sanken-ele.co.jp/en/
there is an old PDF file including all transistors.
if, anybody know better power transistor, i'd like to know.
Sanken (Japaness) makes best transistor for audio, SAP15 is their darlinton pairs,
http://www.sanken-ele.co.jp/en/
there is an old PDF file including all transistors.
if, anybody know better power transistor, i'd like to know.
dabourdaief,
If you still need more information on part numbers, look at the SAP datasheets at: (search for "sap")
http://www.datasheet4u.com/search.php
I think the part number is SAP15N.
regards
If you still need more information on part numbers, look at the SAP datasheets at: (search for "sap")
http://www.datasheet4u.com/search.php
I think the part number is SAP15N.
regards
Hi,
looked at the SAP16 datasheets on the Sanken site.
The N & P versions read identical except for Di Vf 707mV (N) 1540mV (P) at 2.5mA.
Even the graphs show the very large difference over the current range 1 to 10mA.
What is happening here? It almost appears that NPN is behaving as a single transistor at very low currents.
Could this be just the diode voltage drop and not the whole darlington?
Where is the data on Ft or speed or Cob?
looked at the SAP16 datasheets on the Sanken site.
The N & P versions read identical except for Di Vf 707mV (N) 1540mV (P) at 2.5mA.
Even the graphs show the very large difference over the current range 1 to 10mA.
What is happening here? It almost appears that NPN is behaving as a single transistor at very low currents.
Could this be just the diode voltage drop and not the whole darlington?
Where is the data on Ft or speed or Cob?
Maybe it is useful
This power Amp. is two ch. Bigger Amp is for Bass speaker, & other is for High . The boxes are made of Molded Plastic & first of all is for PA ,or small ambient. Sound is good , because the drivers is well known B&C. Ofcourse Amlifiers have Electronic Crossover , for each Amp.But for me , Idont like DARLINGTONS.
This power Amp. is two ch. Bigger Amp is for Bass speaker, & other is for High . The boxes are made of Molded Plastic & first of all is for PA ,or small ambient. Sound is good , because the drivers is well known B&C. Ofcourse Amlifiers have Electronic Crossover , for each Amp.But for me , Idont like DARLINGTONS.
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