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Old 2nd November 2014, 10:14 AM   #1
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Hello

Inspired by few recent projects I have decided to try a very simple/basic hybrid to stard with.
I like the Hitachi VAS sound so why not to stick a triode input in front of it ?

I have never worked on the vacuum tubes before so I would be very gratefull if someone can guide me to the right dirrection and give me some advice.

I have supplied the amp from 2x30Vac transformer PSU unit, the heater is supplied temporrary from the lab psu. The thd figures arent great but the amp sound suprisingly good, I was really blown away at the first time I hooked it up to the speakers (or maybe I was too excited).

I am going to build another version with another LTP stage, so I would be able to set the triode ''working point'' in more correct way.

The animal:

-input 12AU7 --> biased at 1.7mA total (two triodes), the cathodes are at +1,8V, the anode load resistors are only 3.3k (prapobly it is wrong but with the simple/education version it must be at that point)
-VAS --> Hitachi biased at 9-10mA total, looks that 5mA is enough to drive correctly the pair of renesas mosfets.
-output --> lateral mosfets from Renesas


Special thanks for OS and Valery for helping me!!
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Old 2nd November 2014, 10:41 AM   #2
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How does it sound in trebles?
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Old 2nd November 2014, 03:36 PM   #3
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It sound very well in the whole top octave. It is maybe a bit to bright/sharp (seas 22taf/g with aluminium dome) but this can be tweaked at further development. The amp has its signature, lot of air and plenty background details, mids and vocals are very plesent to listen. Overal I am very happy from the amp as it was only an educational experiment. The HD version will be ready next weak.
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Old 3rd November 2014, 06:47 AM   #4
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I didnt know that heater must be gnd referenced, so i grounded one side of the grid supply and it looks better. The top octave sounds better now.
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If your "HD" version is ready, will you share your PCB design with us? This is an area (tube-FET direct coupled hybrid amps) where I experimented a bit, with very good results, so I am excited to try your version....
How do you plan to solve the startup issue? I guess heater supply first, then delayed supply rails + muting for the output?
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Old 4th November 2014, 11:03 AM   #6
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You may find better results referencing the heater to the positive rail. Also since the VAS is balanced you may be able to side step start delays etc. by simply placing a large value resistor from plate to cathode of each tube.
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Old 4th November 2014, 06:11 PM   #7
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Thanks for advice !!

After I have referenced the DC12.6v heater to ground, the amp is dead quied with no signal. Tell me please around 220k around cathode and plate would be ok ?

Automatic amplifier turn on --> I was going to use triode ccs resistor 3.3k, when vacuum tubes start to consume the bias current the voltage drop across it will reach approx 5.5V and then the speaker relay will turn on, but first I must finish the amp.

The HD version is showing much lower distortion in Spice, wondering how it will look like in real life.
Bellow eagle files of simple version if some one would like to play with it.

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I will share the all documentation after I will test and listen to it.
The simple version is singing very nice, I am wondering how about HD version too.

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Peter


edit:
I have forgotten to mention, the eagle board is kind of universal, the amp can be AC or DC coupled, I have used AC coupled version.
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Old 7th November 2014, 06:45 PM   #8
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The HD version is working now. There is hidden diode in the tube socket to make them look nicer :P
The quick home made measurements bellow, the amp is stable, there is no oscillations present when the tube heater and main psu are powered at the same time, only DC is going bit up/down until the NFB is starting to work (heater takes around 5-8s to heat up the tube).
Unfortunatly I have pulse regulated psu for the heater so there are small artefacts present at the output (with good filtered supply all is OK).
Now there is some time for the listening tests of both versions.
Suprisingly the different tube gives a bit different sound signature.
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Suprisingly the different tube gives a bit different sound signature.
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Hi Peter!

Wow Just noticed your thread
Congratulations, a very cool project!

I'm curious, what is the difference between the HD version and initial one on terms of schematic?

BTW, in my hybrids I have supply for the heaters - 6.3V AC from a small separate transformer (heaters are paralleled) just "floating" - no problem.

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