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30th April 2013, 02:09 PM  #1 
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P3A AC Calculating
So, i am doing P3A for college work, and i need to do calculations. I did DC calculations, now i started AC and already i have a problem.
This is a scheme > 6080W Power Amplifier Generator source voltage is 100 mV (70.7 mV RMS) with frequency 1 kHz I am simulating project in Isis proteus so i`ll put some pictures so you can see where my problem is. First picture is understandable, voltage across input filter is 70.7 mV and there is no problems. But, when i put only a resistor in parallel how it is in project scheme, i dont know what is happening anymore. (second picture) I am all confused when i put capacitor in parallel with resistor like in third picture. I was trying with impedance calculations and many other things but never got same results like in simulator. So, if somebody of you guys understand this please give me an answer or just a path to follow thank you very much 
30th April 2013, 02:36 PM  #2 
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I may have missed something, but the sim results of your model look right.
Are you remembering that the capacitor has a 90degree phase shift? A resistor in series with a capacitor gives a voltage across each component. But the "total" voltage across the pair does not "add" up to the individual voltages because the two voltages are 90 degrees to each other. In diag2 Vcap=67.3mVac Vtotal = 67.8Vac. But if you add another voltmeter you will find that Vresistor is NOT 0.5mVac. It will be very much bigger than 0.5mVac. Have you read about how to "add" out of phase voltages? Hint: A parallelogram should ring a bell. Once you have understood what diagram2 can show you, you can extend that new knowledge to diagram3.
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30th April 2013, 02:53 PM  #3  
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Thats ok, but i dont understand how to get voltage of resistor in parallel with input circuit (on picture 2), and when i put that resistor, i get voltage on Cap in input circuit. Why is that? and why is current in both circuits the same if they are parallel.. there is many questions thank you for reply! 

30th April 2013, 03:04 PM  #4 
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Which value confuses you?
Could it be the attenuator effect of the input network and the grounding network that follows it? Ignore the capacitors for a moment. Just use the resistors for the "passband" frequencies. What is the attenuation effect of the resistors you have? Does that help?
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30th April 2013, 03:20 PM  #5 
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Ok i`ll try to use only resistors and will calculate attenuation. I will put results here in evening. Thank you very much.

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