I got this Onkyo TX-SR506 from eBay cheap, as faulty. It looks like a fairly decent amplifier, so I want to fix it.
It will power up into standby with a red LED. Pressing the power button makes a relay click. VFD lights up and works, then a few seconds later, the relay goes out, VFD goes out and the power LED flashes continuously until the power button is pressed again.
Upon disassembling the unit, I found one main output transistor on the SL channel to be failed. This is a 2SA1941. This transistor is obviously burnt, with a hole in it and associated burn mark shot up the heatsink. All of the other channels look good, though I'll probably replace the complementary 2SC5198 too, as I believe that may have sustained damage despite showing no signs of failure.
My question is, what part to use for these? I can buy them on eBay, but they're almost certainly fakes. I can't find them from Farnell, either. I -did- find some other parts, such as 2SA1294 and 2SC3263 from Farnell (Sanken/Allegro parts); would these work well? This amp is "only" rated to 0.08% distortion, and I'm not particularly concerned about the distortion being higher, my concern is simply will it work (and not sound awful?)
In addition, do I need to replace the driver transistors 2SA1930 and 2SC5171 and the 0.33 ohm resistors? The 0.33 ohm resistors are a combined, matched device -- do I need to find an equivalent if they're failed? I'll borrow a good Fluke from work tomorrow and test these as well as the test points in the service manual.
Any advice appreciated
It will power up into standby with a red LED. Pressing the power button makes a relay click. VFD lights up and works, then a few seconds later, the relay goes out, VFD goes out and the power LED flashes continuously until the power button is pressed again.
Upon disassembling the unit, I found one main output transistor on the SL channel to be failed. This is a 2SA1941. This transistor is obviously burnt, with a hole in it and associated burn mark shot up the heatsink. All of the other channels look good, though I'll probably replace the complementary 2SC5198 too, as I believe that may have sustained damage despite showing no signs of failure.
My question is, what part to use for these? I can buy them on eBay, but they're almost certainly fakes. I can't find them from Farnell, either. I -did- find some other parts, such as 2SA1294 and 2SC3263 from Farnell (Sanken/Allegro parts); would these work well? This amp is "only" rated to 0.08% distortion, and I'm not particularly concerned about the distortion being higher, my concern is simply will it work (and not sound awful?)
In addition, do I need to replace the driver transistors 2SA1930 and 2SC5171 and the 0.33 ohm resistors? The 0.33 ohm resistors are a combined, matched device -- do I need to find an equivalent if they're failed? I'll borrow a good Fluke from work tomorrow and test these as well as the test points in the service manual.
Any advice appreciated
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OK, I've just had a lesson in WHY disabling protection circuits is a bad idea.
The amp wasn't staying on for long enough to check the bias voltages so I cut one lead of R6173 -- DC fault detect. I'm not connecting speakers, so I figured it's fine.
As expected the output rose to +52V or so... and a few seconds later, two capacitors blew up. LOL.
They were 50V rated across the bases of the main output transistors and across the drive transistors; and experienced around 100V due to the shorted base-collector/ base-emitter junctions. So they very quickly failed. But at least I know where the fault is: looks like I'm replacing both the driver transistors and the main transistors. I tested the 0.22 ohm; it's fine, along with the other parts including the base resistors.
The capacitors were crappy TK Audio capacitors; I think I'll use Panasonic FC for replacements.
I think I'm going to use the ONSemi transistors suggested by jaycee;
NJW0281G - ON SEMICONDUCTOR - TRANSISTOR, NPN, 250V, 15A, TO3P | Farnell United Kingdom
NJW0302G - ON SEMICONDUCTOR - TRANSISTOR, PNP, 250V, 15A, TO3P | Farnell United Kingdom
because they're inexpensive and look decent spec; I can buy them from Farnell (free shipping/no min order to my workplace.)
The next problem is finding replacements for the 2SC5171 and 2SA1930 driver transistors -- any suggestions? These are TO220, insulated case non-heatsinked devices.
The amp wasn't staying on for long enough to check the bias voltages so I cut one lead of R6173 -- DC fault detect. I'm not connecting speakers, so I figured it's fine.
As expected the output rose to +52V or so... and a few seconds later, two capacitors blew up. LOL.
They were 50V rated across the bases of the main output transistors and across the drive transistors; and experienced around 100V due to the shorted base-collector/ base-emitter junctions. So they very quickly failed. But at least I know where the fault is: looks like I'm replacing both the driver transistors and the main transistors. I tested the 0.22 ohm; it's fine, along with the other parts including the base resistors. The capacitors were crappy TK Audio capacitors; I think I'll use Panasonic FC for replacements.
I think I'm going to use the ONSemi transistors suggested by jaycee;
NJW0281G - ON SEMICONDUCTOR - TRANSISTOR, NPN, 250V, 15A, TO3P | Farnell United Kingdom
NJW0302G - ON SEMICONDUCTOR - TRANSISTOR, PNP, 250V, 15A, TO3P | Farnell United Kingdom
because they're inexpensive and look decent spec; I can buy them from Farnell (free shipping/no min order to my workplace.)
The next problem is finding replacements for the 2SC5171 and 2SA1930 driver transistors -- any suggestions? These are TO220, insulated case non-heatsinked devices.
Ok, I think I'm going to replace all of the transistors in the amplifier -- it's only going to cost a few pounds more, so it's worth it for my personal assurance. I'm getting the main output transistors from Farnell, and the rest from Kessler Electronics.
Q6053: 2SA1294 -> NJW0281G
Q6063: 2SC5198 -> NJW0302G
Q6033: 2SC5171 -> 2SC5171
Q6043: 2SA1930 -> 2SA1930
Q6003: 2SC1740 -> 2SC2240
Q6013: 2SC1740 -> 2SC2240
Q6073: 2SC2240 -> 2SC2240
Q5003: 2SC2240 -> 2SC2240
Q5013: 2SC2240 -> 2SC2240
Q5043: 2SC2229 -> 2SC2705
Q5033: 2SA949 -> 2SA1145
Q5053: 2SC1815 -> 2SC1815
I've made some substitutions (bold), because the particular component wasn't available. Mainly based on the advice I found on the net and careful reading of datasheets, but I'm not 100% on these. Can anyone confirm that my substitutions are OK?
In addition, I need to replace:
C6043: 47u/50V TK Audio -> 47u/50V Panasonic FC
C5053: 47u/50V TK Audio -> 47u/50V Panasonic FC
R6103: 0R22 matched -> 0R22 x 2 (1%) 3W
R6173: 47k 1/8W -> 47k 1/4W (chopped one leg off disabling DC detect)
R6073: 82R 1/8W -> 82R 1/4W (measured 300 ohms in circuit -- probably bad)
Q6053: 2SA1294 -> NJW0281G
Q6063: 2SC5198 -> NJW0302G
Q6033: 2SC5171 -> 2SC5171
Q6043: 2SA1930 -> 2SA1930
Q6003: 2SC1740 -> 2SC2240
Q6013: 2SC1740 -> 2SC2240
Q6073: 2SC2240 -> 2SC2240
Q5003: 2SC2240 -> 2SC2240
Q5013: 2SC2240 -> 2SC2240
Q5043: 2SC2229 -> 2SC2705
Q5033: 2SA949 -> 2SA1145
Q5053: 2SC1815 -> 2SC1815
I've made some substitutions (bold), because the particular component wasn't available. Mainly based on the advice I found on the net and careful reading of datasheets, but I'm not 100% on these. Can anyone confirm that my substitutions are OK?
In addition, I need to replace:
C6043: 47u/50V TK Audio -> 47u/50V Panasonic FC
C5053: 47u/50V TK Audio -> 47u/50V Panasonic FC
R6103: 0R22 matched -> 0R22 x 2 (1%) 3W
R6173: 47k 1/8W -> 47k 1/4W (chopped one leg off disabling DC detect)
R6073: 82R 1/8W -> 82R 1/4W (measured 300 ohms in circuit -- probably bad)
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Same problem
I've got the same question -
I've arrived at this same location with my amp. Except mine was free from a friend.
The .22 ohm X 2 resistor has a nice black mark on it. Easily marking the problem.
The left channel as it turns out, has left the building.
The power transistors were snipped and I got it working with center and right doing the duty of the front.
So I am thinking of cutting a hole in the bottom and fixing it.
First maybe I'll steal transistors from the center, and if that works then I can actually try to fix it.
I've got very very very few HDMI amps and this may just about fit that need.
Thanks.
Srinath.
I've got the same question -
I've arrived at this same location with my amp. Except mine was free from a friend.
The .22 ohm X 2 resistor has a nice black mark on it. Easily marking the problem.
The left channel as it turns out, has left the building.
The power transistors were snipped and I got it working with center and right doing the duty of the front.
So I am thinking of cutting a hole in the bottom and fixing it.
First maybe I'll steal transistors from the center, and if that works then I can actually try to fix it.
I've got very very very few HDMI amps and this may just about fit that need.
Thanks.
Srinath.
BTW how does this ancient POS HT-R series amp easily outperform the newer and supposedly bigger and better and feature loaded TX NR 616 ???
Not even close, the thing kills the 616. Repaired by Onkyo. They should have saved themselves a lot of trouble and never made that stupid thing. More trouble for me and Onkyo than what its worth.
Thanks.
Srinath.
Not even close, the thing kills the 616. Repaired by Onkyo. They should have saved themselves a lot of trouble and never made that stupid thing. More trouble for me and Onkyo than what its worth.
Thanks.
Srinath.
It does? How? It's certainly possible, the 616 is from the cooperation with TEAC and presumably has little to do with older Onkyos internally. I'm presuming the older models had too many issues and profit margin proved too low.
My parents are quite happy with their 616. Mind you, they're only using it once in a while, it may not be the world's most powerful amp, and same quite arguably goes for its processing capabilities. Running it in 4 ohm mode cuts down on the heat a fair bit, and it's decidedly not hissy as a mad snake like the old Kenwood it replaced. We did briefly have a midrange Pioneer in that was on sale at the time - the heavier and no doubt technically better unit on the whole, but ergonomics were horrific (terrible lettering, terrible remote, non-intuitive menu system), and it also had issues cooperating with older HDMI devices like the satellite receiver that was in use. Too bad fixing these issues came too late for Pioneer's audio branch.
HT-R560 has better sound quality and makes more SPL regardless of volume setting, @ full volume the 616 isn't as lout as the HT-R @ 2/3 and it sounds a lot worse.
I may have to try it on different sets of speakers etc etc, but this was a non scientific "test if the HT-R even works" test. I had just cut out the Left channel transistors off the Ht-R and wanted to check if it worked.
Thanks.
Srinath.
I may have to try it on different sets of speakers etc etc, but this was a non scientific "test if the HT-R even works" test. I had just cut out the Left channel transistors off the Ht-R and wanted to check if it worked.
Thanks.
Srinath.
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