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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: algeria/france
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More than three decades after they were released the NE5532/5534 opamps
are still the most used in high perfs audio items , it s not by chance and i like to add an original NE5534 based low power amp that will show that this op amp potential is not fully exhausted. As in many opamps there are two pins dedicated to an external compensation but there s a convenience with the 5534 since thoses pins are connected to the VAS input and output , the output stage being not included in the external compensation loop. This allow to implement a TMC compensation scheme that will include both the 5534 output stage and an attached power output stage consisting of either darlington or eventualy CFP or lateral fets. The improvement in linearity compared with the same circuit with only local compensation is quite amazing , distorsion is drasticaly reduced but the most advantageous is quasi anihilation of crossover distorsion that shouldnt be audible even if the output stage is biaised with only a few mA. Personnaly i use a pair of Sanken darlingtons as output stage but since there are members that are fond for other output stage topologies i simulated versions with lateral fets and CFP output stages wich seems to work as well as the darlingtons and even with slightly lower THD for the CFP. 12W/8R might not be impressive but it s more than enough for home listening provided the speakers are not half mute with catastrophic SPL/watt , and the perfs are as good if not better than what can be extracted from expensive dedicated drivers. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Krakow
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very, very nice!
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regards, Pawel |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: algeria/france
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Thanks Padamiecki..
![]() 5534 is alive and kicking..
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Zagreb
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Could you post your simulation results?
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: algeria/france
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Hi Dadod , i ll have to re do the sims and post a few results ,
here the THD improvement at 1 and 10Khz , this is with darlingtons and bootstrap , the simplest version above , iddle current being about 65mA. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Zagreb
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Wahab I expected higher improvemnt with a TMC at 10kHz then at 1kHz.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: algeria/france
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The improvement at 1KHZ is better because the transition
frequency of the TMC network is set very low , typicaly at 160Khz in this circuit and this is set wit R8 wich consequently has higher value than what can be seen in others schematics that use this compensation. Dramaticaly higher improvement at higher frequencies is possible by increasing the transition frequency/reducing the resistor to a couple KR but this will be at the expense of stability under capacitive loadings so i elected for this cautious value , THD10Khz residuals being below -92db. |
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Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: London
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The delta between the standard and the TMC versions is due to the transitioning from Miller compensation to a two pole type compensation, having a theoretical and ideal advantage of 6dB more global feedback, hence less distortions. Unfortunately, implementing a two pole compensation schema with the 5534 is less than optimal, because the internal Miller compensation (between the same two pins) can't be disabled, hence a smaller than expected delta. There's nothing special about the 5534 in such applications, other than having the two pins (comp and comp/bal) available (which is, BTW, a characteristic of first generation op amps, not many modern op amps have the same feature - because op amps are today much more specialized components than they used to be). |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: algeria/france
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The VAS modelisation need not to include its non linearity since
most of it comes from the output power stage anyway. I m aware of the 5534 internal compensations and particularly the 12pF miller cap you re pointing. Neverless , it should work well enough , i ll do some real world measurements once i ve got the 5534s to accurately set the external compensation on the bench. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: London
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It's not only about the VAS linearity, but also about the VAS output impedance, which is not correctly modelled in the Boyd macromodels. The output stage (non) linearity (other than crossover distortion) depends essentially on the VAS output impedance (the lower the better).
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