Borbely low-voltage hybrid Tube-MOSFET opamp as a line amp... - diyAudio
Go Back   Home > Forums > Amplifiers > Solid State

Solid State Talk all about solid state amplification.

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 18th November 2003, 09:45 AM   #1
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Copenhagen
Default Borbely low-voltage hybrid Tube-MOSFET opamp as a line amp...

HI!

Anyone here that have tried this Borbely Tube-MOSFET opamp as a line amp?

I have just built it but have had several problems with it and need some help.

1) One of the ECC86 tubes are almost imposibble to adjust for zero DC. I had to change one of the 100 ohm resistors connected to Rp to have it in balance (changed one of them to 50 ohms).

2) I do not get enough "swing" of out it. Feeding the non-inverting input (R9) through a 10K resistor with a 22p parralled to output should give a me gain of 20db. I need more though. Can't drive my poweramp with this setup

3) Even with a regulated DC filament PSU using the LT1086, I have too much 50 Hz hum.

Anyone who can help me?

Best,

Peter

About the circuit:

Erno Borbely's hybrid design is both low voltage (+/- 24 volts) and DC-coupled. The differential input stage uses a single ECC86/6GM8 dual triode, which has a maximum anode voltage of 25V (a good substitute is the 6DJ8/ECC88). The current mirror Q1 and the constant current diodes (D1A and D1B) increase the CMRR and improve linearity.

The output stage is a P-channel MOSFET configured as a common source amplifier with Q3 as its current source (the bias current is 10mA and can be adjusted by varying Rs). Rp is adjusted for 0 output voltage.

C2 provides phase compensation and if the opamp is configured for less than 6dB of gain, the R15-C5 low pass network must be added for stability (for G = 6dB, C5 = 100pF; for G = unity, C5 = 330pF). The open loop characteristics of the Borbely hybrid are excellent, especially for a tube opamp: G ~ 53dB, Fh ~ 90kHz and THD < 1%. When set to a gain of 10 (Rf = 10K ohms, Rin = 1.1K ohms), the specs once again are excellent: Fh > 700 kHz, THD < 0.1% and the output impedance is 50 ohms.
Attached Images
File Type: gif opamp4.gif (7.5 KB, 2291 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 18th November 2003, 10:09 AM   #2
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Copenhagen
This is the regulated DC fillament supply I use. I only uses PSU for both ECC86 tubes. Do I need one separate for each channel?


Ground is not connected to the case. Should it be? Have a lot of 50 Hz hum comming through.


I'm not using the 10.000uf caps at the output(C16), but two parralled 2200uf instead.
Attached Images
File Type: gif dc-psu.gif (53.5 KB, 1853 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 18th November 2003, 10:17 AM   #3
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Copenhagen
Link to the original article published in Glass Audio:

http://www.borbelyaudio.com/hybrid.pdf
  Reply With Quote
Old 23rd April 2005, 12:51 PM   #4
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: France
it can be modified for balanced?

thx
  Reply With Quote
Old 23rd April 2005, 01:56 PM   #5
AndrewT is offline AndrewT  Scotland
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Scottish Borders
Hi,
can you check the ripple before the regulator?
After diode loss the Vdc under full load might be too close to the drop out voltage of the 1086.
__________________
regards Andrew T.
  Reply With Quote
Old 23rd April 2005, 02:13 PM   #6
aht is offline aht  Thailand
Account Disabled
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: thailand
Send a message via ICQ to aht Send a message via MSN to aht
Default You may be get some mistake circuit !!!

You may be get some mistake circuit !!!

After I build this circuit I can set 0V DC output easier and I don't match other device and I instead transistor constant current circuit for constant current diode

I use AC voltage for bias filaments but I don't get hum on output ???

If you wanna get a lot of my pictures you can email to me all time

Regard
AHT
Attached Images
File Type: jpg p1010122.jpg (41.0 KB, 1612 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 23rd April 2005, 02:36 PM   #7
diyAudio Member
 
bear's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: New York State USA
Ok, ground the case(s).

Swap the tubes from channel to channel.
IF the problem *switches* channels - it is the tube.
IF not, it is a wiring error.

The lack of DC balance is a clue.

Are you seeing approximately the same voltage at the gates of the mosfets??

You can't drive your amps with 20dB of gain??
Your amps should drive fine with just the output of a CD player or
any other line level audio device (tuner, tape player, etc..).
No gain.
So, obviously something is wrong.

Possibly you don't have a ground reference at the output for the gain stage??

_-_-bear
__________________
_-_-bear
http://www.bearlabs.com -- Btw, I don't actually know anything, FYI -- [...2SJ74 Toshiba bogus asian parts - beware! ]
  Reply With Quote
Old 23rd April 2005, 04:58 PM   #8
Tyimo is offline Tyimo  Hungary
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Hungary
Hi AHT!

I am also building the Hybrid line stage and hopefuly it will be ready in couple of weeks.
I made the original PCB and use the J508 CCS diode, but I saw your design and I would like to ask: could you post your PCB design and schematic? The original PCB is not the best quality and your with the discrete CCS is much nicer and more practical!

How do you like the sound?
Do you use as preamp or only like buffer?
Could it use as preamp for the ZEN amp?

Thanks and greets:

Tyimo
  Reply With Quote
Old 23rd April 2005, 07:22 PM   #9
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: France
Quote:
Originally posted by UltimateX86
it can be modified for balanced?

thx
no idea ?

Quote:
Originally posted by bear
[B]Ok, ground the case(s).

You can't drive your amps with 20dB of gain??
Your amps should drive fine with just the output of a CD player or
any other line level audio device (tuner, tape player, etc..).
No gain.
So, obviously something is wrong.
The gain is normally 20dB, but can be reduced by changing the feedback

Quote:
Originally posted by Tyimo
Hi AHT!

could you post your PCB design and schematic?

Tyimo
+1
  Reply With Quote
Old 23rd April 2005, 07:57 PM   #10
jleaman is offline jleaman  Belgium
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Send a message via AIM to jleaman
Can you email me some pictures and the pdf of the board layout im interested in this design and would like to etch a few boards and try it.

jason
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
reliable tube/mosfet hybrid amp JAZZ2250 Solid State 71 20th August 2012 05:18 PM
24V Tube IRF610 MOSFET Hybrid HPA lineup Solid State 10 23rd October 2008 02:36 AM
Hybrid Tube / Mosfet Amplifier poynton Tubes / Valves 8 10th August 2007 05:32 PM
bass guitar amp hybrid Tube/mosfet ?? partyjups Instruments and Amps 1 19th April 2004 01:08 PM
Essential Audio hybrid tube/mosfet amp kit FS ppickard Swap Meet 1 6th April 2001 02:23 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:12 AM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2014 diyAudio

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2