200W class A psu considerations with IRF240
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AudioSan
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 Originally Posted by peranders What sort of calculations are these? 3.6 amps will give you 50 Watts into 8 ohms if we talk class A. It's pretty simple: Irms = 3.6/1.414 = 2.546 A P = I^2*R= 2.546*2.546*8 = 51.84 watts
no. the formula will be: (3.6x2)x(3.6x2)x8/2=207W

accordind to your calculation. the First watt F5 will give 6.7W class A at 8ohm.(1.3A bias) acctualy it gives 27W

Last edited by AudioSan; 29th December 2012 at 09:26 AM.

 29th December 2012, 09:31 AM #12 peranders   Electrons are yellow and more is better! diyAudio Member     Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Göteborg, Sweden 3.6 amps is the bias and is the same thing as the peak current (in class A) and the rms current is 1.414 times lower. Do we talk about the same thing here? __________________ /Per-Anders (my first name) or P-A as my friends call me Group buy: DCT03 DC trap for big toroidal transformers. Sign up for interest HERE. 55 pcb's in order. 49 paid.
 29th December 2012, 09:35 AM #13 AudioSan   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Feb 2009 peak current is TWICE the bias
 29th December 2012, 09:40 AM #14 AudioSan   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Feb 2009 from F5 manual: For this sort of circuit, a 1.3 amp bias means that the amplifier will operate Class A to 2.6 amps of output current. To understand this, imagine a condition where Q3 and Q4 are idling at 1.3 amps, so that all the current is going from the V+ voltage rail to the V- voltage rail, and none is going through the loudspeaker. The power of 2.6 amps into 8 ohms is I^2 * R, or 2.6 * 2.6 * 8 = 54 watts. This is the peak value, and the nature of an undistorted sine wave is that the peak wattage is twice the average, so this circuit would operate 27 watts average Class A into 8 ohms. At currents above 2.6 amps one of the transistors will shut off, leaving the other to continue to increase beyond the 2.6 amps in what is known as Class AB.
 29th December 2012, 09:46 AM #15 KatieandDad   diyAudio Member     Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK So 1.3A is giving you 27W Class A from the F4. With the Aleph 4, 2.5A bias gives you a true 100W RMS Class A. Last edited by KatieandDad; 29th December 2012 at 10:00 AM.
 29th December 2012, 09:57 AM #16 AudioSan   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Feb 2009 katie. class A power have nothing to do with your rail voltage. it is, (2.5*2)*(2.5*2)*8/2=100W class A power at 8ohm.
 29th December 2012, 02:22 PM #17 rhythmsandy diyAudio Member   Join Date: Aug 2012 check this thread how nelson calculates the class A power.. Leaving Class A? Martin Colloms vs Nelson Pass
 29th December 2012, 02:35 PM #18 djk R.I.P     Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA I would build it with a tiered power supply. With a ±20V supply for the low rail the idle would only be 144W, that could be done with only two or three pair of IRFP240/9240. __________________ Candidates for the Darwin Award should not read this author.
bobodioulasso
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Join Date: May 2008
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 Originally Posted by rhythmsandy according to nelsons pow calculations 3.6A Bias ( 3.6 x 2 )^2*8 = 414.72W peak and for continuous 293W in 8 ohms

414w peak is 207w average. 60V is about right for 200W/8ohms. Air forced cooling Mandatory.

Last edited by bobodioulasso; 29th December 2012 at 03:20 PM.

 29th December 2012, 07:03 PM #20 rhythmsandy diyAudio Member   Join Date: Aug 2012 I would be using the IGBT heatsink and each heatsink will have 4 Hexfets dimensions heatsink width 5 inch length 6 inch depth is also 6 inches... wouldnt that be sufficient? how do I calculate how much each hexfet is dessipating the heat?

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