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Old 8th September 2012, 09:07 AM   #11
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Thumbs down legal my .... foot

Udhay claims that "Because it is already available in internet legally with 100% same schematic diagram & 100% with component value".

This is complete rubbish, and is not the case at all - the schematic and PCB layout are copyright, and are normally maintained in a secured website. Access is granted to people who buy the boards, and someone appears to have violated not only my copyright but also my trust.

To say that I'm not impressed is putting it mildly, and I'm disappointed that the moderators have allowed the post (and the poster) to remain. If this were the ESP forum, the perpetrator would be banned immediately and permanently.

I'm really getting sick and tired of a...holes stealing my circuits and articles. A huge amount of work goes into developing and testing a project, then some clown comes along and just steals stuff, then comes out with bollocks about it being "legal".
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Old 8th September 2012, 09:20 AM   #12
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RodE,
Glad you set that correct, it was what I assumed. I can't go copy a book and put it on the internet any more than others should copy the artwork for one of your boards. I have been on your site many times myself as I learn plenty reading what you have there. I would gladly pay for a board from your site if that is something that I want. You are doing people who are in this hobby of DIY a favor with your work. I think that we should all respect each others hard work. Yes we can look at something, even see it in the patent listing, doesn't mean it is there to be copied. I assume that all your articles are copy-written and that your boards have the copy-write symbol on them and the same with your published schematics.

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Old 8th September 2012, 09:25 AM   #13
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I think that "cloning" the board is a lot of work and that it is in fact cheaper to buy the board from Rod than to make a single board cloned.
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Old 8th September 2012, 09:57 AM   #14
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Udhay claims that "Because it is already available in internet legally with 100% same schematic diagram & 100% with component value".

This is complete rubbish, and is not the case at all - the schematic and PCB layout are copyright, and are normally maintained in a secured website. Access is granted to people who buy the boards, and someone appears to have violated not only my copyright but also my trust.
Agreed, and if any of that info had been posted here it would be removed.

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To say that I'm not impressed is putting it mildly, and I'm disappointed that the moderators have allowed the post (and the poster) to remain. If this were the ESP forum, the perpetrator would be banned immediately and permanently.
Fair enough, that's your forum, and you can run it as you choose. However, that can be counterproductive. Imagine someone sees these boards on the internet and googles for more information. It is likely they will be directed to diyAudio, possibly even this thread, where they can see that the boards are unauthorised and they are unlikely to get any support or help. However if we leave threads like this visible, people may realise their mistake.

We do support websites like yours that are a great resource to the hobby, and we always try to remove any of your, (or others) schematics posted here. Sometimes we may need a reported post to do so, as the site is large and we can't watch everything all the time, but we always act on copyright infringement.

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I'm really getting sick and tired of a...holes stealing my circuits and articles. A huge amount of work goes into developing and testing a project, then some clown comes along and just steals stuff, then comes out with bollocks about it being "legal".
But now that "clown" knows better. Rod, I appreciate your anger, but unfortunately copyright infringement is, and always will be, part of society. It's how the British created the industrial revolution, how the US became a world power around the beginning of the 20thC, how Japan developed after WWII, and the process continues today. All we can do is try and mitigate its worst excesses in our little diy bubble, and we will do that to our utmost abilities.
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Old 8th September 2012, 10:08 AM   #15
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I believe that we all see that Udhay is not a bad guy and that he does not intend to make money from this single board. Real bad guy is the one who put the schematic with part values online.
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Old 8th September 2012, 10:58 AM   #16
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RodE,
I m very sorry, i don't know, is it right way i am going or not!!! I am a college student, as i said earlier i dont have much experience in analog design. I didn't search for clone or schematic of your project. I do a general search & i surprised your circuit is available in internet!!!!!

I don't want to put the link or schematic here....
I will contact you directly through email....

If you want to contact me, my email ID is [email removed by moderation, pm your email instead]

Sorry again it's not my fault.....

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Old 8th September 2012, 01:24 PM   #17
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Udhay,

Just do the right thing...your apology is a great start.

As far as your P-101, I tried biasing mine high into class A and got a lot of hum - now I did try more capacitance, but the circuit does not lend itself to higher bias over the recommended bias. If you build it like Rod recommends you will be happy. If you build with Rod's boards, both of you should be happy.

I don't know how all the work you did with the 3D rendering and pcb fab could be cheaper than just buying the boards...
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Old 8th September 2012, 02:01 PM   #18
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Thanks for everybody.... Before starting this thread, i have only one question-- is it legal or not--, But now i understood the only legal way is... get PCB directly from ESP.....

Sorry i will never post the link, schematic through forums or by email...

I want to say one thing if i am a bad guy then i will silently make money using your design or i will spread the schematic in internet & i will never ask the question "is it legal"......

I don't know some guys may already have this link & may play game in background... But Rod should think this is the best opportunity to know his schematic available in internet.... Try to stop it... I dont know how?.. But if you can or if it is necessary, remove this thread form Diyaudio itself......

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Old 8th September 2012, 02:14 PM   #19
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Default This gets worse ...

Udhay was right - the schematic with all values was posted on-line. I have seen the site, and it's the most blatant case of intellectual piracy I've seen so far.

Several of my schematics have been used (modified or redrawn) in ... wait for it (you won't believe me ... ) a PATENT APPLICATION.

This includes P101 and several others. No reference, no link, no acknowledgement. Just stolen circuits in their pointless patent application that I will now do my best to kill before it breeds. I have the names including that of their employer, and will publish a page citing these cretins as the intellectual pirates they are.

Udhay - you will find that after you have gone to all the trouble of doing a PCB layout and having boards made, that it would have been cheaper to get them from me, and you'd get support as well.
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Old 8th September 2012, 08:32 PM   #20
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Hi Rod,
we all know by now....nothing is sacred anymore.
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