17 W Single Ended Solid State Power

Lars Clausen · 22nd October 2003, 02:30 PM

The 4,7V zeners have approximately the same Tc as the Vgs of the IRF150's. So once DC adjusted it will keep fairly DC stable.

It's easy and cheap to build, fun to play with, and sounds great, with all the good properties of a single end amp. (everything sounds pleasant, and recording flaws are left out of focus).

I hope somebody out there will find it interesting, and i'd love to hear your comments!

All the best.......

Lars Clausen

Lars Clausen · 25th October 2003, 10:36 AM

btw. You should connect this 100k resistor across the input RCA, it will prevent the amp from popping if you should start it up with no input connected, and then connect a signal source while the power is still on.
The trick that makes this amp so special is that the first stage (much resembling a Zen stage) has vast amounts of second order distorsion. The second stage (the output stage) also has vast amounts of second order distorsion, but in a reversed phase, so the two distorsions tend to null each other out. A distorsion reducing topology without the harmful global feedback loop ...
Try it, it really works!

It would also be simple to build this amp as a 100W Class A/B with a different output stage, i will post on this thread later.

Lars Clausen · 25th October 2003, 11:50 AM

So here it is, a 138W in 8 Ohms A/B amp.

How do we keep the second order distortion down? Well only by using a small portion of the input stages rail to rail amplitude, simply by increasing the voltage supply to that stage radically.

To avoid the MOSFET's low ID distortions, you should adjust the bias to a relatively high level, of 500 mA. Mount the BIAS MOSFET IRFI614 on the heatsink, in close proximity to one of the power FET's, then it should be 100% thermally stable. Use a big heatsink, as you will have to dissappate up to 100W of heat from the power MOSFET's. 0.33 C/W should be adequate.

Some would use a feedback loop to get rid of cross over distortion, but in my view loops only remove measurement distortion, and still causes the sound to get blurred and fuzzy. Unless you have a very low time delay in your feedback loop of course, say less than 0.5 uS. Nearly impossible in an analog design.... Another thing about feedback loops is that they are a constant source of load dependant instability, that's why you always see loads of small capacitors in the amplifier circuit, and an air coil in the output stage. In this non-feedback design .. it's just not nessescary, as it has no feedback loops to make it unstable.

Have fun with this one .. ;-)

Nelson Pass · 25th October 2003, 08:01 PM

Very cool amp.

Richard C · 25th October 2003, 11:20 PM

Thanks for the circuits Lars

It's very refreshing to see simple, original designs that break the text-book 'rules'.

If I ever find the time I'd be interested in having a go at the SE

Drafance007 · 25th October 2003, 11:56 PM

Just one question Lars...i never built an mosfet amp. Never heard for device IRFI614 ? Can it be replaced ? By the way...i may try to build it.

hugonot · 26th October 2003, 06:19 PM

Hi. I want to build a similar amp, with diff amp on input, and second stage power follower ( single ended ). My question: did you measure a frequency range, especially on the top. IRFP150 have a quite high input capacitnce, and output impedance of yours voltage stage is about 10k Ohm, WHAT ABOUT HIGH FREQENCIES ? In my amp I want to use a 3,3k Ohm resistors as a drain load of diff amp, and irf520 as follower transistor ( input capacitance about 3 times lower, but transconductance lower too..).

There is a posibility to place a negative feedback in my amp, and will do it. Open loop gain about 30 V/V ( Rd = 3,3K, Rs = 47R ) and close loop about 12V/V.

If you could write something about measurments, i would be greatful.

Lars Clausen · 27th October 2003, 08:46 PM

I built it some months ago, and it measured from 5 - 34.000 Hz within 3 dB. Not exactly infinite bandwidth, but enough to facilitate most uses. You can speed it up, but you could be digging out some degrading new sound properties, when using this type of circuit. I like the simplest possible solution, which is possible just when you are building a small amplifier with only the most nessescary functions.

It is not a technical data giant, but it is simple to build, and plays with a nice relaxed sound.

I have built audio amplifiers in the past with 3 dB linearity from DC to well over 2 MHz, however you would have to use other types of parts, and circuits, and you will end up with an amplifier focusing on micro details, and very revealing to amy flaws in the source signals. This amp though is more relaxed and forgiving towards the source material.

IRFI614, you can find the datasheet at
http://www.irf.com/product-info/data...a/irfi614g.pdf
i did not try to replace it with other types, but i guess anything with a low Cdg (reverse transfer capacitance), and 250 V breakdown voltage might be usable.

All the best from Denmark....

25th October 2003, 11:56 PM	#6
Drafance007 Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2002	IRFI Just one question Lars...i never built an mosfet amp. Never heard for device IRFI614 ? Can it be replaced ? By the way...i may try to build it.

26th October 2003, 06:19 PM	#7
hugonot diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poland	About high frequency rolloff Hi. I want to build a similar amp, with diff amp on input, and second stage power follower ( single ended ). My question: did you measure a frequency range, especially on the top. IRFP150 have a quite high input capacitnce, and output impedance of yours voltage stage is about 10k Ohm, WHAT ABOUT HIGH FREQENCIES ? In my amp I want to use a 3,3k Ohm resistors as a drain load of diff amp, and irf520 as follower transistor ( input capacitance about 3 times lower, but transconductance lower too..). There is a posibility to place a negative feedback in my amp, and will do it. Open loop gain about 30 V/V ( Rd = 3,3K, Rs = 47R ) and close loop about 12V/V. If you could write something about measurments, i would be greatful.

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25th October 2003, 08:01 PM	#4
Nelson Pass The one and only Join Date: Mar 2001	Very cool amp.

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Richard C diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Nottingham, England	Thanks for the circuits Lars It's very refreshing to see simple, original designs that break the text-book 'rules'. If I ever find the time I'd be interested in having a go at the SE

27th October 2003, 08:46 PM	#8
Lars Clausen diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Lab	I built it some months ago, and it measured from 5 - 34.000 Hz within 3 dB. Not exactly infinite bandwidth, but enough to facilitate most uses. You can speed it up, but you could be digging out some degrading new sound properties, when using this type of circuit. I like the simplest possible solution, which is possible just when you are building a small amplifier with only the most nessescary functions. It is not a technical data giant, but it is simple to build, and plays with a nice relaxed sound. I have built audio amplifiers in the past with 3 dB linearity from DC to well over 2 MHz, however you would have to use other types of parts, and circuits, and you will end up with an amplifier focusing on micro details, and very revealing to amy flaws in the source signals. This amp though is more relaxed and forgiving towards the source material. IRFI614, you can find the datasheet at http://www.irf.com/product-info/data...a/irfi614g.pdf i did not try to replace it with other types, but i guess anything with a low Cdg (reverse transfer capacitance), and 250 V breakdown voltage might be usable. All the best from Denmark....