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Old 27th June 2012, 11:41 AM   #1
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can anyone tell me why my amplifier i have built is doing this when it starts up? after it has done this it works fine

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Old 27th June 2012, 12:06 PM   #2
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This is a conditionally stable circuit. Perhaps a bad closed loop margin. In other words, try another way to feed back the amplifier, and try first to fix open loop issues in it.
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Old 27th June 2012, 12:08 PM   #3
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and how would i go about doing that? sorry im still new to building amplifiers
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Old 27th June 2012, 12:10 PM   #4
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Review RC time constant in the amp.
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Old 27th June 2012, 12:26 PM   #5
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sorry i still dont understand
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Old 27th June 2012, 12:38 PM   #6
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Yes, looks like conditional stability either in the main feedback loop or from parasitics in one stage. We need more information. Tell us everything you know about the amp.
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Old 27th June 2012, 12:43 PM   #7
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Amplifier Specification:
Maximum Output: 240 watts rms into 8 Ohms, 380 watts rms into 4 Ohms
Audio Frequency Linearity: 20 Hz – 20 kHz (+0, -0.2 dB)
Closed Loop Gain: 32 dB
Hum and Noise: -90 dB (input short circuit)
Output Offset Voltage: Less than 13 mV (input short circuit)
Phase Linearity: Less than 13 0 (10 Hz – 20 kHz)
Harmonic Distortion: Less than 0.007% at rated power
IM Distortion: Less than .009% at maximum power
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Old 27th June 2012, 12:52 PM   #8
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Is this a simulation or physical circuit ?
Is this just when power is first applied ?
A schematic would be good ...

It would be worth checking stability anyway but even an otherwise stable amplifier can sometimes have problems when the power rails come up during the first few hundred mS.

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Old 27th June 2012, 12:59 PM   #9
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That looks like a simulation to me or is it a real life oscilloscope plot? From just looking at the part of the circuit that I can see it is a dual differential Hitachi based MOSFET amp. These normally would not cause the problems that you described. I know of several thousand out in the field.

If it is a real plot of the output I suspect from the first part that there are unbalanced current draw from the power supply or different time constants thus the two rails are not firing up in a balanced manner at start up but settles after a few cycles of power.

It would appear as if the problem have a time constant around 300 mS, so look for something in the power supply or decoupling caps that has a time constant around this value.

Also check the time the input differential amplifier bases are charged up, they may be charging at quite different rates which would be caused by a large NFB decoupling cap and a small input cap.

Some designers by-pass the NFB decoupling cap with a diode to stop DC voltages of more than 0.7V to develop across them.

That is my two cents worth. Good luck.
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Old 27th June 2012, 01:00 PM   #10
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this is just a simulation, im hoping to build this circuit soon. the +45v dosnt seem that stable and seems to drop to about 40v then goes back to 45v
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