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Old 27th June 2012, 08:43 AM   #31
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That complicated CCS is still no better than a 2-Q CCS. The base leakage of the cascode transistor throws away whatever good the opamps do. Cascode with a BC337 and it will be better.
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Old 27th June 2012, 08:44 AM   #32
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That complicated CCS is still no better than a 2-Q CCS. The base leakage of the cascode transistor throws away whatever good the opamps do. Cascode with a BC337 and it will be better.
i can see your circuit please??
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Old 27th June 2012, 08:52 AM   #33
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Just replace the upper MPSA42 with a BC556B, BC560C or BC337.
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Old 27th June 2012, 08:53 AM   #34
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Just replace the upper MPSA42 with a BC556B, BC560C or BC337.
like information!
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Old 27th June 2012, 09:04 AM   #35
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Or just eliminate all that mess with the Op-amps and noisy Zeners and replace it with a Idss, J-fet CCS like is on the differential VAS. Zeners are convinent components but come with a noise price. A Wilson mirror for the VAS would not be a bad addition either. Also, you can replace the cascode Zener with a resistor||COG type cap ~1nf, and replace R8 with another Idss bias J-fet CCS. J-fets are wonderful components to use in audio amplifiers, they have so many uses. I often wonder why they are not used more.
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Old 27th June 2012, 09:26 AM   #36
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Or just eliminate all that mess with the Op-amps and noisy Zeners and replace it with a Idss, J-fet CCS like is on the differential VAS. Zeners are convinent components but come with a noise price. A Wilson mirror for the VAS would not be a bad addition either. Also, you can replace the cascode Zener with a resistor||COG type cap ~1nf, and replace R8 with another Idss bias J-fet CCS. J-fets are wonderful components to use in audio amplifiers, they have so many uses. I often wonder why they are not used more.
thanks, that you say that???
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I have complete amplifier circuit diagram, I'm doing to try and test measurements.
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Old 4th July 2012, 08:15 AM   #38
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Default If you are creating, building and testing each circuit variation

then you deserve my congratulations...and your circuit may result unbeatable, as this method of work is perfect...the real world testing, listening and comparing using people to judge sonic differences.

I do not think it is easy to compare, as you will always have A and B and the "audio memory" of C, D, E, F is lost.

What i mean.... you can test A and B and judge A better than B..... so.... A is the winner....now you compare A with C.... and A continue to be the winner....then you compare A with D..... and now D is the winner.

But you will never know the result of the comparison in between D and B for instance..... and B can beat D despite have not beated A because there are several different things to evaluate while listening.

In one case the noise can be the reason to be the winner...in other sittuation, in another test the dinamics can be the reason.... in other testing the tonal ballance (despite flat, real world they have sonic signature that makes each amplifier different when compared to another... electrically flat but never sonically flat).

It is very difficult to evaluate this way.... reason why people goes to simulators and goes believing they can say something...they show numbers...never sonics, when small changes sometimes makes huge differences.

If you manage to compare and found a good method to compare A to B (blind tests for instance...always the same group of people...different music styles.... reversing reference to confuse and to test evaluation... A is changed to B to see if people will vote correctly) then you deserve the congratulations and uncle charlie will assemble your amplifier as no one can beat the most perfect way to do these things.

If you are using simulator only.......then you are fooling yourself and wasting your time my dear friend..... i do imagine you build and listen each option the way i use to do.

I thank god that people like you still exist.... searching and researching...and starting from something that is considered good (the Op amp), not trying to re discover the powder without smoke.

Sound is something to be evaluated by humans...they are made for humans..only humans will feel differences when compared to the reality...simulators are calculators....a machine that produces numbers..we do not listen numbers..we are not digital decoding devices.

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Default I am 50 years long making comparisons, and studying the stuff

I can write a 500 pages book about the subject because the expertise i have developed studying and reading what other folks did.

After finish the book i can write another one explaing how much this method is weak in precision.

In other words...after half century i am still searching for the perfect method ...i hope you have developed something good...if you did, then explain us how you do comparison testing in your amplifier.

It is so complex that people prefere to use simulator and goes believing they found something good because of numbers....not real the stuff....just delirating and dreaming about.

Sometimes the deffects creates lovely effects.... non linearities generates harmonics we may love...the absence of harmonic distortion or low numbers is not a guarantee of audio quality.

Electronic tubes distorts as a hell...and people love it..and they say the best sound comes from tubes....measuring them you will be in panic and will start to perceive how complicated is to evaluate things by measurements..... these awfull things (tubes) sounds really good.

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Old 4th July 2012, 08:48 AM   #40
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there are several different things to evaluate while listening.

In one case the noise can be the reason to be the winner...in other situation, in another test the dinamics can be the reason.... in other testing the tonal balance
It is good that you know the various reasons. To complete that, you need to know (you may have already):

1) What causes each of the reasons
2) Effect of those to enjoyment.
3) Priority of the reasons to different people.

If you focus on real world bass quality, you will get the most votes, whether the respondents are from high class audiophile club or from street. Youngsters or naughty old boys.
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