Go Back   Home > Forums > Amplifiers > Solid State
Home Forums Rules Articles Store Gallery Blogs Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Solid State Talk all about solid state amplification.

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 30th January 2012, 04:20 PM   #1
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Default Class A amplifier

Dear all,
i build this amp:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7651/schemaclassea.png

I like the sound of this ampli, but i had a problem and some question for you:
- The transistor Q2 "burn" if i have a high signal at input. Can i change it with a similiar transistor more powerful to solve this problem?
- I can't understand the schematic....generally in a classA amplifier the final transistor must be the same....in this schematic there is a PNP and a NPN transistor (Q4 and Q5). Why?
- Is it possible to increase the power? for example what happened if i make a couple of Q4 and Q5 in parallel?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions
Stefano from Rome
  Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2012, 04:28 PM   #2
diyAudio Member
 
KatieandDad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: UK
Did you have a heatsink on Q2 ?
  Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2012, 04:35 PM   #3
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Hello ;-)
there is no heatsink on Q2. I think is not needed because Q2 seems not hot. Do you think is needed?
  Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2012, 08:05 PM   #4
diyAudio Member
 
jerluwoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Ashland,Ky U.S
Q2,Q4,and Q5 are all under rated for the job. Q2 has the entire 24 volts across it at all times basically, but the amount of current through it probably more than triples when driving Q5. Q4 and Q5 are both operating at their soa limits and will probably die before to long themselves.
  Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2012, 09:29 PM   #5
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
So....you want to say that the schematic is not very good :-)
Can you suggest me some changes to do? or if you want you can suggest me a new schematic of a nice class A ampli (i already have the heatsinks and transformer, it's a pleasure for me to build a new circuit).
Thank you, regards!
Stefano
  Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2012, 10:23 AM   #6
diyAudio Member
 
TinTopHack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Manila, Philippines
Quote:
Originally Posted by stestexo View Post
So....you want to say that the schematic is not very good :-)
Can you suggest me some changes to do? or if you want you can suggest me a new schematic of a nice class A ampli (i already have the heatsinks and transformer, it's a pleasure for me to build a new circuit).
Thank you, regards!
Stefano
You could try adding a 5W 120 ohm resistor between collector of Q2 and +V That should limit the power dissipation of Q2. Then you can lower the value of R5 to 12K. Q4 and Q3 form a constant current source with 1A of current available from Q4's collector. Worst case dissipation will approach 24W for Q4 so you will need a large heatsink for it. Same large heatsink for Q5.

Q1 runs at a few milliwatts of power so it should not burn unless there is something wrong with C4. When you say hi signal at the input, how hi is it?

Last edited by TinTopHack; 7th February 2012 at 10:49 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2012, 10:52 AM   #7
Mooly is offline Mooly  United Kingdom
diyAudio Member
 
Mooly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Q2 needs to be of reasonable current gain, and so to Q5 that it feeds. If Q5 gain is low then Q2 is supplying a lot of current to overcome that. Q2 will run hot with 24 volts across it and a few tens of milliamps flowing.

The output transistors being different, NPN and PNP is irrelevant. Q4 is just a constant current load, it could equally be a FET.

You won't increase the output power by paralleling the transistors but you really should look at using high gain (high hfe) transistor for Q5.

Have you looked at the original JLH69 Class A amplifier ?
The Class-A Amplifier Site
__________________
-------------------------------------------------------
A simulation free zone. Design it, build it, test it.
  Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2012, 01:34 PM   #8
diyAudio Member
 
TinTopHack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Manila, Philippines
Q5 (BD243) has a gain of 15 at Ic=3A. If it has to conduct 2A, 1A from Q4 and 1A from speaker (worst case), then Q2 has to supply 133mA to the base of Q5. The peak power dissipated by Q2 would be around 3W without any resistor at its collector. But probably at IC=2A, the gain of Q5 would be higher - maybe 20 - that will requires less current from Q2 - around 100mA (<3W of peak dissipation by Q2) so you could probably get on without a resistor at Q2's collector. That's peak power. When listening to music the average power dissipated by Q2 will be a lot less so this explains your statement that it is not hot.

Q2 has a min gain of 40 at 100mA so it should be OK.

It seems the remaining issue is why Q1 fails when the input signal is high. It might help if you describe what you mean by high.
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
CLASS AB Amplifier Vs CLASS D Amplifier nkdecibels Class D 36 3rd January 2012 06:46 AM
Class D Vs Class I (Balanced Current Amplifier) rmsaudio Class D 28 29th September 2006 07:03 AM
Questions about how to decrease the PASS A-40 amplifier into a class AB amplifier. novtango Pass Labs 2 21st October 2002 01:50 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:29 PM.

Page generated in 0.28318 seconds (33.22% PHP - 66.78% MySQL) with 10 queries

Copyright ©1999-2012 diyAudio