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Join Date: May 2007
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I have been into Bi - amping for quiet some time. Here you have separate power amplifiers for the low frequency and high frequency. There are several advantages to bi –amping. The main are
1) No need for elaborate protection circuitry 2) Rise in the damping factor 3) Higher sound levels for the same input power 4) Easier to match the sensitivities of the woofer and tweeter. The woofer has different sensitivity from the tweeter and matching them is usually done by resistors which waste power. 5) Sound much better than the passive crossover amplifiers 6) Baffle diffraction equalization is easily done with a single op amp inserted in the filter chain There are very few disadvantages one being the cost of two amplifiers .This has come down to very manageable levels My first Bi amped amplifier My first effort was an adaptation of a Elektor circuit for the filter a 3rd order Butter worth filter made with transistors driving TDA 2004 amps .This circuit was published in an Indian Electronics magazine The block diagram of the Bi-amp is shown below
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The cross over filters tried by me are :
I have experimented with the following active crossover filters 1) Sallen and Key 18 db /octave filter 2) Linkwitz reily 24 db/octacve and 3) State variable filter 24 db /octave crossover Sallen and key filter I adapted the circuit and made the PCB shown below in it,s populated form Details Board size 2”X3.5” IC-TL072 Crossover frequency- 1500 cycles Slope- 18db/octave Input voltage- +- 15v to 35v DC
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Linkwitz Reilly 24 db /octave filter
I adapted the circuit and made the PCB as shown below Details Board size- 2.6”x3” IC-TL072 Crossover frequency -2000cycles Slope 24db/octave Diffraction boost- 4db Input voltage-+- 15 to 35-DC
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Scottish Borders
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Can you change the title of your thread?
There is ambiguity and as a result confusion in the use of the term Bi-amping. I think you are referring to active speakers with active filters before the amplifiers. Some might refer to this as active bi-amping. Whereas using multiple amplifiers each to drive a single section of a passive crossover then to the speaker drivers could be referred to as Passive bi-amping. Here in the UK, the more common terms are: active speakers and bi-amping of speakers.
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24 db/octave state variable filter
Details Board size 2.45”x3” IC LF353CN Crossover freq- 2000 cycles Slope-24db/octave Input voltage+-15v to 35v DC
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Which of the filters are the better of the three. Each of them have some advantages
Sallen & Key 1) Small PCB 2) All resistors and capacitors determining the frequency have equal value and hence easy to procure Linkwitz reilly 1) Has baffle diffraction,all pass filter and is 24db/octave 2) The best sounding of all three State variable filter 24db/octave 1) Adjustment of the frequency is dependent on only four resistors 2) Can adjust for the hump occurring at the crossover frequency
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Scottish Borders
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Buy D.Self's book.
I have just reached the end and will have to go back and re-read some of it.
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The completed Active amplifier
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Join Date: Jan 2011
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can you share more details of State variable filter. i am interested in building one.
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Zagreb
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Hopefully you are aware that the crossover frequency, baffle step and delay should all be designed depending on the actual drivers and enclosure specifics. You can't just use whatever you feel like for optimum results, and unless you do your maths and measurement right, you won't be able to do any meaningful comparison between the crossover types.
Other that that, if you are looking for optimum on-axis response, your best bet would be Linkwitz-Reilly as it provides proper acoustic summing, ASSUMING the proper crossover frequency and if necessary all-pass delay has been used (although it's better to mechanically put the acoustic centers of the speakers at proper distances than use electronics to fix this), also for proper frequency response baffle step must be considered and this depends almost entirely on the width of the enclosure. All that being said, it's not the optimum crossover for all speaker types and uses. It might also interest you that there is a kind of state-variable derived crossover that has 'perfect' phase and impulse response once the signals undergo proper acoustic summing. It was published by National Semiconductor in one of their application notes, IIRC you can still find this on the net. This crossover works very well but requires careful selection of drivers and optimization of their positions on the enclosure - it works particulairly well with coincident drivers, such as the KEF uni-Q series and other similar co-axial types. Last edited by ilimzn; 17th November 2011 at 09:34 AM. |
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