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Old 18th August 2011, 12:14 PM   #1
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Question Trying to add pre out/main in to integrated amplifier. Am I thinking right?

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I was thinking about adding main in/pre out jumpers to an old Denon integrated amp. I haven't done this before but I think I might be on the right track. I have looked at its schematic and have made notes where I think I should cut the signal. I've enclosed the schematic here and have made green lines below R57 and R58. Am I thinking right?

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If this will indeed work, will I need to do something else as well? I've read other threads on the subject and it seems further modification might be involved as well. Any insight would be very appreciated.

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Old 19th August 2011, 12:26 PM   #2
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The volume control is the right place to tap the pre-amp. Might be a good idea to add voltage follower op-amps to buffer things.
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Old 19th August 2011, 12:44 PM   #3
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The volume pot is part of the loudness circuit, you cant use
its input/output as separating point.

This should be inserted before R54 .
Just cut the circuit at this place, with R54 being the main input.
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Old 19th August 2011, 01:39 PM   #4
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It usually works. But then there are gotchas like this.
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Old 20th August 2011, 11:55 AM   #5
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The volume pot is part of the loudness circuit, you cant use
its input/output as separating point.

This should be inserted before R54 .
Just cut the circuit at this place, with R54 being the main input.
Thank you for your help, guys.

I tried this, and unfortunately, all it did was bypassing the tone control. The amp worked as normal, except that the tone control did nothing. Putting in the jumper re-enabled it.

This amp only has two knobs. One called "tone enhancer", which was what I now disabled. It basically works by removing detail, and adding some bass. I don't really understand its purpose, I never use it. And finally the volume control.

EDIT: By the way, the "tone enhancer" is VR1 on the schematic.

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Old 20th August 2011, 04:19 PM   #6
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The place you should break into the circuit is after the selector switch and before the 1.8k resistors (R51 and R52) . It also may be necessary to add DC blocking caps.

Mike

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Old 20th August 2011, 04:41 PM   #7
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Thank you for your reply.

How will I know if that is necessary? And what kind of caps can I use? Will Polypropylene 1uF be okay? I have tons of those on hand.

And finally, how do I "add" them?

Sorry for these questions, I am a total newbie at this, it is a lot of fun to learn!
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Old 20th August 2011, 05:02 PM   #8
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Here:

PRE-OUT MAIN IN.JPG

It's probably safest to go ahead and add the caps.
If you notice a loss of lower frequencies, you can parallel additional 1uF caps to compensate.

Mike

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Old 20th August 2011, 05:14 PM   #9
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Fantastic. Thanks a lot for all your help and effort. Made my day.

Just one thought though, it looks like I will lose the volume control by doing this. I mean, if I connect the pre section to a different power amp.

Because the idea of this modification is that I would like to use it as a pre-amp.
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Old 20th August 2011, 08:40 PM   #10
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Whoops, you're right, my thinking cap fell off. Instead, just put the RCA jacks between the balance control (VR3) and the 22uF caps. And since there's already a cap in place, you don't need the resistor and cap I had in the diagram, just put in the jacks.

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