Hi, I'm trying to repair a RX-V1500 Yamaha. When I put it on, after 3 seconds the protection relay shut it off. The previous owner told me that power transistors have been already replaced, with no results at all.
It seems that the fault is extremely common for this model, but I did not found any detailed solution. I've understood that the problem could be inside the voltage regulator section, but I'm not sure about
Anyone has an idea about? Any schematics/service manual available ?
As usual, thanks so much to everyone, Paolo
It seems that the fault is extremely common for this model, but I did not found any detailed solution. I've understood that the problem could be inside the voltage regulator section, but I'm not sure about
Anyone has an idea about? Any schematics/service manual available ?
As usual, thanks so much to everyone, Paolo
You can probably find an online schematic of RX-V1400, which is similar.
Your problem is likely counterfeit transistors. They don't last very long, so chances are you are still sitting with a defective output stage.
My RX-V1400 had this problem. A local repair shop could not fix it; they put in counterfeits. I had to bear the risk, but was finally able to find genuine Sankens.
Your problem is likely counterfeit transistors. They don't last very long, so chances are you are still sitting with a defective output stage.
My RX-V1400 had this problem. A local repair shop could not fix it; they put in counterfeits. I had to bear the risk, but was finally able to find genuine Sankens.
Some further steps: finally I've got the service manual, so now I know what the message means.
Herebelow, the explanation of the message "DC PRT : 000 E" :
"Cause: DC output of the power amplifier is abnormal.
Supplementary information: The abnormal voltage is
displayed in % based on 5V as 100%.
Turning on the power without correcting the abnormality
will cause the protection function to work 3 seconds later
and the power supply will be shut off."
Through the other diagnostic facilities, I've been able to test manually all the output channel, by a pink noise. Every channel works perfectly, so I think that there's something wrong about the DC voltage detection.
Where have I to look for ?
Thanks, Paolo
P.S.: ask if you need the manual
Herebelow, the explanation of the message "DC PRT : 000 E" :
"Cause: DC output of the power amplifier is abnormal.
Supplementary information: The abnormal voltage is
displayed in % based on 5V as 100%.
Turning on the power without correcting the abnormality
will cause the protection function to work 3 seconds later
and the power supply will be shut off."
Through the other diagnostic facilities, I've been able to test manually all the output channel, by a pink noise. Every channel works perfectly, so I think that there's something wrong about the DC voltage detection.
Where have I to look for ?
Thanks, Paolo
P.S.: ask if you need the manual
I've got it !!!!
Finally, with the vital help of the service manual, I've found the problem. Between the ground and the "PRD" pin of the CPU, there are three diodes: D503, D504 and D505. The first two seem to be useful to protect the CPU itself against any over-current. In case of short circuit or similar, these 2 diodes can easily blow out, and force to "0" volt the pin 139 of the CPU ("PRD" pin, dedicated to detect any abnormal DC voltage from output transistors)
This is the reason why the protection circuit shuts-off the unit, even if the faulty power transistors have been replaced
Diodes are normal surface-mounted 1SS355: I've replaced them with two 1N4146, and everything works perfectly now.
Diodes are located in the "Function" board, at the right side of the unit: they are easily accessible
I've realized that the problem seems to be extremely common for this model, so I hope this hint will be useful in several cases
Thanks to everyone for any kind reply I've received
Ciao, Paolo
Finally, with the vital help of the service manual, I've found the problem. Between the ground and the "PRD" pin of the CPU, there are three diodes: D503, D504 and D505. The first two seem to be useful to protect the CPU itself against any over-current. In case of short circuit or similar, these 2 diodes can easily blow out, and force to "0" volt the pin 139 of the CPU ("PRD" pin, dedicated to detect any abnormal DC voltage from output transistors)
This is the reason why the protection circuit shuts-off the unit, even if the faulty power transistors have been replaced
Diodes are normal surface-mounted 1SS355: I've replaced them with two 1N4146, and everything works perfectly now.
Diodes are located in the "Function" board, at the right side of the unit: they are easily accessible
I've realized that the problem seems to be extremely common for this model, so I hope this hint will be useful in several cases
Thanks to everyone for any kind reply I've received
Ciao, Paolo
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Assistance with Yamaha RX- V1500
Paolo, I am having similar problem with my unit shutting off. However, I am not a techniciam as you seem to be but am willing to try and make the repair myself since nearest service center is over 45 miles away and it sounds like they may not repair it perfectly anyway. Is this an easy enough repair for a novice?
Paolo, I am having similar problem with my unit shutting off. However, I am not a techniciam as you seem to be but am willing to try and make the repair myself since nearest service center is over 45 miles away and it sounds like they may not repair it perfectly anyway. Is this an easy enough repair for a novice?
flambart: Good job troubleshooting the problem. Likely the problem when all channels are at fault.
I had a similiar problem, however it was only the Surround R channel. I believe my issue is with a leaking 47uF (C43) cap in the pre-amp section. It was reading 100 ohms where the other channels were somewhere > 10k. The output was -5V biased.
Unfortunetly I can't directly test my theory since I accidently slipped with the DMM leads and shorted the base and collector of the npn transistor before the power transistors. Opps! I smoked 5 transistors which are on order now.
Anyways, future advice for anyone is that the bias issue can be on the pre-amp board as well. Sorry for bringing up an old post, but might help users googling this post.
I had a similiar problem, however it was only the Surround R channel. I believe my issue is with a leaking 47uF (C43) cap in the pre-amp section. It was reading 100 ohms where the other channels were somewhere > 10k. The output was -5V biased.
Unfortunetly I can't directly test my theory since I accidently slipped with the DMM leads and shorted the base and collector of the npn transistor before the power transistors. Opps! I smoked 5 transistors which are on order now.
Anyways, future advice for anyone is that the bias issue can be on the pre-amp board as well. Sorry for bringing up an old post, but might help users googling this post.
Had similar issues checked most of the nonsense written about this issue like the very famous keep it out of power for 24hours , or put it in service mode run it for a few hours and then the problems will autodissappear ...OMG
Unbelivable things written in the internet
Mine wanted to have a reflow on the CPU i ve been working on it for almost 3 days checking everything and seems that this solved the problem
I trust though that these HT amplifiers might suffer from a number of issues while most of them will present no power ( while protection checks OK ) and no power at all even at service mode
Kind regards
Sakis
Unbelivable things written in the internet
Mine wanted to have a reflow on the CPU i ve been working on it for almost 3 days checking everything and seems that this solved the problem
I trust though that these HT amplifiers might suffer from a number of issues while most of them will present no power ( while protection checks OK ) and no power at all even at service mode
Kind regards
Sakis
Is that all you had to fix ? or was it in addition to power transistors etc etc. And if so, where are the bias resistors located ?
I can handle the disassembly/reassembly. in fact I need to do a few, so I can handle a dsp 3090 if I have to, I love that amp. I can not imagine giving that one up if it ever goes.
Thanks.
Srinath.
I can handle the disassembly/reassembly. in fact I need to do a few, so I can handle a dsp 3090 if I have to, I love that amp. I can not imagine giving that one up if it ever goes.
Thanks.
Srinath.
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