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Old 26th August 2010, 03:03 PM   #1
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Dear fellow DIYers,

I have a burning question,that is in a dire need for some kind of cooling answer.
My problem is,that some time ago, I was in middle of a high temperature debate about the consequenses of interconnecting components and speakers,without paying attention to the color coding of the connectors and wires.
Some were saying that by doing so, you are altering the integrity of the signal,others were insisting that no harm is done.There were blatant epithets thrown to each other like "smoking strange grasses",and "taking expired medicines". No end.

So,pleading on the sanity that is acquired by knowledge,and therefore calm and cool dialogue,let your opinions flow.


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Old 26th August 2010, 03:22 PM   #2
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Hi,
can you post a link to the question?
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Old 26th August 2010, 03:26 PM   #3
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Hi,
can you post a link to the question?
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what do you mean by that?

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What is the question?
I see..

The question is " Does out of phase wiring alters the integrity of signal while recorded and replayed or not?"

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Old 26th August 2010, 03:46 PM   #6
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...without paying attention to the color coding of the connectors and wires...
Hehe, for a moment you got me thinking that this is a discussion on how the color of wires' the insulation has impact on the sound...
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Hehe, for a moment you got me thinking that this is a discussion on how the color of wires' the insulation has impact on the sound...
No,no.

I am asking a serious question. I am pleading on sanity and knowledge,so toying with words is out.


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Old 26th August 2010, 03:58 PM   #8
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As long as the speakers are in phase, it makes no difference. You can use the white stripe (or whatever) for positive or negative connection; it does not matter as long as you are consistent.

Now if you don't pay attention to the phase (polarity) of the speakers and hook them out of phase, it definately makes a difference. I never thought about how many wrong ways there are to hook up a speaker until this guy hooked his speakers up with one speaker connected to both positive outputs, and one hooked to both negative outputs. Now that'll make a big difference.
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I see..

The question is " Does out of phase wiring alters the integrity of signal while recorded and replayed or not?"

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The phase does not matter at all. But the phase of multiple signals must match.

For example if you flip the phase 180 degrees of one speaker in a multi-speaker cabinet you have problems but if the flip the phase of all of them there is no effect, as long as they are all the same. You can extend this s stereo pair of speaker cabinets both channels much match.

Same with interconnect cables, as long as they match.

Same applies to the guts of an amp even in a one channel system the signal (music) has multiple frequencies, you'd hope there is not much frequency dependent phase shift inside the amp. Although that is un-avoidable

A compact say to say this is: "The phase relations inside a system must remain consistent, but the absolute phase does not matter"

Simple answer, yes you can flip the color of the wires but if you do you have to flip EVERY one of them.
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Simple answer, yes you can flip the color of the wires but if you do you have to flip EVERY one of them.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

could you please describe what effect is going to take place,if we don't do the flip? Something like using an inverting amp stage in a circuit,without taking effective measures, before or after and restore the invertion?
Or because of the non active nature of the wire, is irrelevant?
Therefore:

A.Is there a similarity between these two?
B.Do they alter the quality signal,or not?

I understand that absolute phase is irrelevant.Do you think that this is the exact point of misunderstanding.Stages connection phase misjudged as absolute phaseand vice versa


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