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tiefbassuebertr 28th July 2010 01:46 PM

Audio (Lateral) MOSFET's for Class AB - Overview, P-Spice URL's
 
Audio (Lateral) MOSFET's for Class AB - Overview concerning Types and some URL's (also for various P-Spice Parameter)

Not listed here are the IRF/IRFP/IRL and IRF related types, because this types actually appropriate only for class-D and pure class-A, but not for class AB push pull with 100-200 mA idle current.

1) Hitachi/Renesas vintage versions
2SK133/2SJ48 (TO3)
2SK134/2SJ49 (TO3)
2SK135/2SJ50 (TO3)
2SK226/2SJ81 (H-PAK identical to 2SK133/2SJ48)
2SK227/2SJ82 (H-PAK identical to 2SK134/2SJ49)
2SK228/2SJ83 (H-PAK identical to 2SK135/2SJ50)
2SK175/2SJ55
2SK176/2SJ56
2SK343/2SJ99 (H-PAK)
2SK344/2SJ100 (H-PAK)
2SK345/2SJ101 (TO-220)
2SK346/2SJ102 (TO-220)
Datasheets
2SK134 pdf, 2SK134 description, 2SK134 datasheets, 2SK134 view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
2SK134 Datasheet pdf - LOW FREQUENCY POWER AMPLIFIER - Hitachi Semiconductor
2SJ48 Datasheet pdf - LOW FREQUENCY POWER AMPLIFIER - Hitachi Semiconductor
2SK226 datasheet pdf datenblatt - Hitachi Semiconductor - SILICON N-CHANNEL ENHANCEMENT MOSFET ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
2SK176 datasheet and Application Note, Data Sheet, Circuit, PDF, Pinout | Datasheet Archive
2SJ56 2SJ55
2SK343 datasheet and Application Note, Data Sheet, Circuit, PDF, Pinout | Datasheet Archive
2SK345 datasheet and Application Note, Data Sheet, Circuit, PDF, Pinout | Datasheet Archive
Replacement/Substitude advices
ECX10P20 / ECX10N20 EXICON iƒ‚[ƒ‹ƒhƒ^ƒCƒvj| ƒnƒCƒGƒ“ƒhƒI[ƒfƒBƒI
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...sj48-50-a.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...50-2sk135.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...135-2sj50.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...mos-fet-s.html (Swiss Physics Model 6)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...176-2sj56.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...176-2sj56.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...ansistors.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...e-mosfets.html (MF, A370)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...226-2sj82.html (Myst TMA3)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts...-amp-help.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts...-identify.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...8-hitachi.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...re-mosfet.html (2SK1058/BUZ900)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts...99-mosfet.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...placement.html (2SK/2SJ - ECX cross ref - post #4)
Offers (for sale)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...fs-2sk133.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...our-irfps.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...v-8a-sale.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...2sj99-kef.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts...s-140v-8a.html
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http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...e-mosfets.html
Hitachi HMA Series, Schematics
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...ch-1978-a.html
Various Schematics and replacement hints
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...49-2sk134.html
6922 driving
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...49-2sk134.html
2SK135 Serial Regulator schema
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts...se-2sk135.html
Hafler MOSFET checker
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...tml#post660932
Idle current values
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts...135-2sj50.html
Albs DacMos and schema example
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...56-2sk176.html
Ampslab IM60-LM60
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...amplifier.html
How long it survived
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...t-torture.html (2SJ50/2SJ83)

2) Hitachi/Renesas newer versions
2SK1056/2SJ160 (TOP-3)
2SK1057/2SJ161 (TOP-3)
2SK1058/2SJ162 (TOP-3, most popular)
2SK2220/2SJ351 (TOP-3)
2SK2221/2SJ352 (TOP-3)
Datasheet
http://documentation.renesas.com/eng..._2sk1056ds.pdf
http://documentation.renesas.com/eng..._2sk2220ds.pdf
http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...or/mXwuzrz.pdf
Power MOSFETs for General Amplifier
Power MOSFETs for General Amplifier | Renesas Electronics America
Plantefeve MOS-FET 2 x 30 W
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...lantefeve.html
Ideal quiescent current
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...58-2sj162.html
Replacement/Substitude advices
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...8-hitachi.html
Difference between a lateral MOSFETS and vertical MOSFETS
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...al-mosfet.html
Amp Project 2SK1058
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...osfet-amp.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...58-2sj162.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...teral-amp.html (2SK1058/2SJ62)
Aussie Amplifiers
LM4702 Driving a MOSFET Output Stage /LM49830TB Ultra High Fidelity Ref Design AN1645-AN1850
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...vs-others.html (2SK1058)

3) Toshiba
2SK405/2SJ415 (TOP-3)
2SK1529/2SJ200
2SK1530/2SJ201 (TO-3P(L)/2-21F1B)
2SK3497/2SJ618 (2-16C1B, new type, datasheet from 2009)
Datasheets
2SK405 pdf, 2SK405 description, 2SK405 datasheets, 2SK405 view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
http://www.audiolabga.com/pdf/2SK1529.pdf
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http://www.schuro.de/Daten/Japanhalbleiter/2SK1530.pdf
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http://www.toshiba.com/taec/componen...c//74/2868.pdf
Replacement/Substitude advices
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...9-2sk1530.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts...30-2sj201.html
Offers
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts...05-2sj115.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...30-2sj201.html
Alaskan Audio 1R1 schematic/PCB
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...put-stage.html
Elektuur Crescendo
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...e-mosfets.html (2SK1530/2SJ201)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...cendo-amp.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...scendo-me.html
Reporting about sonic quality
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...er-mosfet.html (2SK3911)
Testing (THD curves)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...e-testing.html

4) Magnatec/Semelab
BUZ901/BUZ906 (vintage type)
BUZ900/BUZ905 (vintage type)
ALF08N16V/ALF08P16V (new)
ALF08N20V/ALF08P20V (new)
Datasheets
http://www.bonavolta.ch/hobby/files/BUZ900.pdf
Magnatec. ALFET Lateral MOSFETs
http://web.archive.org/web/200302051.../mosdata.shtml
http://www.semelab.com/pdf/acc.pdf
http://www.semelab.com/pdf/magnatec/...0ALF08N20V.pdf
http://www.semelab.com/pdf/magnatec/...0ALF08P20V.pdf
Inductance Value
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...00-23k135.html
Basic Character discuss
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-...s-mosfets.html
Tube driving amp
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...id-buz900.html
Best Audio MOSFET
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...er-mosfet.html
New Magnatec Line
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...ine-alfet.html
Offers
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...5-mosfets.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...01-buz906.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...01-buz905.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...p-mosfets.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...901-906-a.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...et-wanted.html
V-GS spread
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...1-906-not.html
Experiences
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...ransistor.html (BUZ900DP BUZ901DP)
Comparsion
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...900-905-a.html
Replacements
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts...buz905-6p.html

5) Exicon vintage versions
ECX10N16/ECX10P16
ECX10N20/ECX10P20
Datasheet
ECX10N20
ECX10P20
Replacements
ECX10P20 / ECX10N20 EXICON iƒ‚[ƒ‹ƒhƒ^ƒCƒvj| ƒnƒCƒGƒ“ƒhƒI[ƒfƒBƒI
2SK/2SJ - ECX cross ref - post #4
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...placement.html
Various
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...p-project.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...n-lateral.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...eval-amps.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...n-mosfets.html

6) First Generation Power MOSFET's (V-FET's)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/chip-...k76-2sj26.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...774-2sk77.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...-overview.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...76-2sk180.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...k60-2sj18.html

7) URL's about P-Spice Parameter
if you have good models for the 2SK1058/2SJ162, then you have good models for the 2SK135/2SJ50
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...0-mods-22.html ( post #217)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...ch-1978-a.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts...tml#post998418 (2SK1058 and 2SJ162)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...hitachi-2.html
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http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...html#post26926 (post #16 2SK1058 and 2SJ162)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...ice-model.html (post #1)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts...ml#post2254795 (2SK1529/2SK1530
Models for Multisim Stuff you won (interactice design tools)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...html#post34113
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...tml#post331880 (2SK1058 and 2SJ162)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...n-mosfets.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...ce-models.html
BUZ Spice models and data
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...html#post27088

8) Various URL's
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...al-mosfet.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-...al-p-vs-n.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...sfets-why.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...0&pagenumber=1

Who knows more currently produced lateral MOSFET's for replace vintage types?

lineup 28th July 2010 02:46 PM

I have only 2 pairs of EXICON lateral in my SPICE.
ECF10N20/ECF10P20 and ECF20N20/ECF20P20

I have done some testing using ECF20N20 in SPICE.
If I am to believe the models and results
the ECF20N20 is a fantastic lateral mosfet!
The distortion is very low in compare with HEXFET.
These ones are specially made for Audio.

http://www.profusionplc.com/images/outlines/to3.gif
EXICON ECF20N20 is in TO3 and takes no less than 250 Watt

Read more: ECF20N20
Datasheet: http://www.profusionplc.com/images/d...s/ecf20n20.pdf

:)

tiefbassuebertr 28th July 2010 04:13 PM

thanks for this advice. I will try to get P-spice parameter by profusion.
Here the complete type spectrum from EXICON:
Lateral Mosfet
and here the RENESAS overview URL's from not obsolete types:
http://www.renesas.com/req/product_s...&LAYER_KEY=431
http://www.renesas.com/products/disc...n_amp_root.jsp

KJ2005 17th August 2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tiefbassuebertr (Post 2256247)
thanks for this advice. I will try to get P-spice parameter by profusion.
Here the complete type spectrum from EXICON:
Lateral Mosfet
and here the RENESAS overview URL's from not obsolete types:
Renesas Electronics
Power MOSFETs for General Amplifier | Renesas Electronics

To Mr.Tiefbassuebertr,

I have bought 16 pairs of 2SJ50/2SK135 because of the attached mosfet amp which I owned in 1982. I want to make a new mosfet 100W amp for my ineffective speakers AR3a.
Do you have a better schematic to use than the attached.

Just for the record. I have Luxman L58A which sound very good , but suffers for the lack of power ( only one pair 49/134 Hitachi per channel).

Do you know anyone who could help me on this one? Have already asked this question here without luck.

Rgds
KJ DK

AndrewT 18th August 2010 11:57 AM

find a better schematic.
556a as input
corrupted Mirror in the VAS load
Mirror without cascode
VAS directly driving output FETs

All these need attention.

ostripper 18th August 2010 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewT (Post 2276264)
find a better schematic.
556a as input
corrupted Mirror in the VAS load
Mirror without cascode
VAS directly driving output FETs

All these need attention.

I agree, Andrew .. but this would work if r9 was 6.8k-10k, low voltage PS or better input trannies. Still, proper drivers and a REAL balanced VAS would be more musical and durable. Here is an example of a commercial offering that does the same "cheap tricks" (HH amplifier co.) HH Amplification - Speakers

Schema below, "dirty mosfets done dirt cheap".
OS

KJ2005 20th August 2010 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewT (Post 2276264)
find a better schematic.
556a as input
corrupted Mirror in the VAS load
Mirror without cascode
VAS directly driving output FETs

All these need attention.

But AndrewT - you checked the schematic and found some things to be done better - this is why I am asking? I asked if anyone has a better schematic where it is possible to built a mosfet amplifier with 2SJ50/2SK135 and proper drivers. I have tried to change the 556a with 2SA970 on the attached circuit, but just on the computer.

I know that the schematic has some difficulties. - Could you or anyone else come up with a usefull and well sounding amplifier - a amplifier to be built by a not educated audio engineer??? as optician I have made several DC amplifiers with bipolar power transistors - and with luck.

I have tried with one Borberly mosfet amp, many components, may be too complicated that we looses the the clean sound??

A simple good circuit for double pair of 2SJ50/2SK135 is what I am asking for.

ostripper 20th August 2010 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJ2005 (Post 2278255)
But AndrewT - you checked the schematic and found some things to be done better - this is why I am asking? I asked if anyone has a better schematic where it is possible to built a mosfet amplifier with 2SJ50/2SK135 and proper drivers. I have tried to change the 556a with 2SA970 on the attached circuit, but just on the computer.

I know that the schematic has some difficulties. - Could you or anyone else come up with a usefull and well sounding amplifier - a amplifier to be built by a not educated audio engineer??? as optician I have made several DC amplifiers with bipolar power transistors - and with luck.

I have tried with one Borberly mosfet amp, many components, may be too complicated that we looses the the clean sound??

A simple good circuit for double pair of 2SJ50/2SK135 is what I am asking for.

With the 2SJ50/2SK135 ANY BJT forum amp will work with a few mods. I happen to have a whole pile of lateral projects here: HFS /WEBSITE/PDF1/Electronics/Projects/Audio_amp/Mosfet_25-1kw/

In fact , download the "subzero" amp (similar to yours) by Dr. jagodic .. he is a college professor and all his designs are soundly based and tested. Most are very well received by the European DIY'ers.
OS

KJ2005 20th August 2010 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ostripper (Post 2278509)
With the 2SJ50/2SK135 ANY BJT forum amp will work with a few mods. I happen to have a whole pile of lateral projects here: HFS /WEBSITE/PDF1/Electronics/Projects/Audio_amp/Mosfet_25-1kw/

In fact , download the "subzero" amp (similar to yours) by Dr. jagodic .. he is a college professor and all his designs are soundly based and tested. Most are very well received by the European DIY'ers.
OS

Thank you - amplifiers designed like the "subzero" could be the one I was looking for. Have you tried the circuit? I assume that the "zero" could be built with two pairs instead of three ( power fets)?

It is quite some collection of power fet amplifiers you got there -

I have a very well sounding bipolar amp without global feedback - the amp "The End MKII" has in comparison with other amps "beaten" most of the so called "high end" amplifiers, exept some very expensive amps from Audio Research. The controll of the woofer from bipolar outputs seems better than from power fets, but the mid- and high midrange and frequences above 8-10kHz sounds better from power fets (I think) - I would like to try and add 2 or 3 pair of the Hitachi's in a good circuit, just to "see" if I can get almost the same woofer control from the fet's.

It is difficult to achieve everything within one amplifier!

tiefbassuebertr 11th May 2011 04:14 PM

about
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-...ached-eol.html
I read by post #1:
When I was asking for quotation, Avnet Singapore told me that Toshiba 2SK1529/2SJ200 are no longer orderable
this means for me, all MOSFET's listed here by post #1 should be not used and should avoid for new design's.
For new design's only N-Channel MOSFET designs (NMOS) should be used.


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