Go Back   Home > Forums > Amplifiers > Solid State
Home Forums Rules Articles Store Gallery Blogs Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Solid State Talk all about solid state amplification.

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 20th October 2010, 08:05 AM   #721
diyAudio Member
 
keantoken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Texas
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks a lot OS!

You could say it is a Rush... Here is a schematic with it grafted on to your PX. No mysterious unpredictable harmonics! The RC comp resistor can be increased for better specs, but there will be a resonance in the loopgain.

- keantoken
Attached Images
File Type: png PX_AllisonFFT_40V8ohm.png (119.4 KB, 482 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 20th October 2010, 08:07 AM   #722
diyAudio Member
 
keantoken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Texas
Blog Entries: 1
Um, FYI, the outputs can't run at 234W constant power like that. Probably should lower the rails, and parallel outputs. Look at Sander Sassen's ExtremeA amp for how he did this.

- keantoken
  Reply With Quote
Old 20th October 2010, 09:10 AM   #723
diyAudio Member
 
keantoken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Texas
Blog Entries: 1
Hey OS, these caps look really interesting. Not SILVER mica, but mica nonetheless.

SOSHIN ELECTRIC CO.,LTD. -PRODUCT INFOMATION-

Got me thinking, maybe SMD pads should be included for compensation caps?

- keantoken
  Reply With Quote
Old 21st October 2010, 05:52 AM   #724
diyAudio Member
 
ostripper's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Albany , NY (smallbany)
Default Finished my AX/BX PB60 documentation update.

Quote:
Originally Posted by keantoken View Post
Hey OS, these caps look really interesting. Not SILVER mica, but mica nonetheless.

SOSHIN ELECTRIC CO.,LTD. -PRODUCT INFOMATION-

Got me thinking, maybe SMD pads should be included for compensation caps?

- keantoken
Those mica's would be REAL cool to SMD (solder direct) B-C for the miller .... no PCB trace required. As of now, I DO keep the miller VERY close to the VAS devices.

I have finalized my standard documentation package with all the "mongrels". I will include a high quality photo like SNG001 did in his PDF for the PS80. This photo will coincide with the schema/overview for ease of construction. Below is an example (pix 1/2 - PB60LP).

The AX/BX are done but are without pictures (tomorrow). I redesigned these "low end" projects .. ha ha... to accept your "junk parts".The AX was almost the top performer in WAHIB's amp shootout with 200ppm THD @ 1K/40v p-p , so "low end" might be debatable ???
Even with new parts, 2 voltage boards can be had for $25USD. Total for a stereo pair AX or BX + PB60LP's would set you back $45-50USD ...much less if you clean out your junk drawers..

All ZIP's that end in "final" are built and have been throughly ABUSED in the "DOGHOUSE". (CXVB1.2 is next)
BTW , the below PB60 is an EXACT copy of your power board(s).. keen , use as a guide when you get your box...
OS
Attached Images
File Type: jpg PB60LPv1.2.jpg (195.5 KB, 431 views)
File Type: jpg PB60LP_V1.2_photo.jpg (305.6 KB, 422 views)
__________________
Mongrel website , always current and updated :
http://www.fidelityforce.com/ostripper

Last edited by ostripper; 21st October 2010 at 06:07 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 21st October 2010, 11:30 AM   #725
sng001 is offline sng001  Australia
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Sydney
Default PB120LP Ver.2 PCB

Hi,

I have made some minor changes to the PB120LP. The Ver.1 board is being built by Repeet and I found more clearance are need for some resisters. I made some minor changes:
More clearance for R85 & R88.
Relocate R98 & R99 so that they no longer live under the inductor.
Space for bigger output inductor.
Fatter ground trace.
Bigger on-board filter caps - snap-in types up to 25mm dia.
Deleted the Capacitor-multiplier option.

The board is slightly smaller.

I will create the BOM & PDF for the new ver 2 of PB120LP.

Cheers, Stanley
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Mongrel PB120_C25.JPG (160.7 KB, 369 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 21st October 2010, 12:08 PM   #726
repeet is offline repeet  Australia
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Brisbane
Hey Stanley,
I like the improvements on your boards. My semi-conductors arrived yesterday and I have made my PSU inductors. Hopefully I can mount the heatsinks on the weekend and start putting it all together.
Pete.
  Reply With Quote
Old 21st October 2010, 12:24 PM   #727
diyAudio Member
 
ostripper's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Albany , NY (smallbany)
Quote:
Originally Posted by sng001 View Post
Hi,

I have made some minor changes to the PB120LP. The Ver.1 board is being built by Repeet and I found more clearance are need for some resisters. I made some minor changes:
More clearance for R85 & R88.
Relocate R98 & R99 so that they no longer live under the inductor.
Space for bigger output inductor.
Fatter ground trace.
Bigger on-board filter caps - snap-in types up to 25mm dia.
Deleted the Capacitor-multiplier option.

The board is slightly smaller.

I will create the BOM & PDF for the new ver 2 of PB120LP.
Cheers, Stanley
Some layout adjustments.... I HATE D96/97 "crooked" !! Move c88/92 right next to the voltage board interface euroblocks , line up the diodes (d96/97) and the resistors (r75/78) vertical near mounting points.

C99/r99 swap with the G1 takeoff point , as close to the OP coil as possible and long jumper over R96b can be 2 short ones , first right above 96b. You dont need the big 6800uF's on board if you have such a big offboard supply like the PS80/100 , shrink to 1k/63v -12.5 -18mm for more layout room to center G1/2 .. this is more important than big caps , especially for G1 (big "dirty pulses from OPS),
you might even add the blueled (V- 68k Resistor/high efficiency).


Otherwise all is good.
What is the CAD software used ?? SNG.... I only use "head" now.
OS
__________________
Mongrel website , always current and updated :
http://www.fidelityforce.com/ostripper

Last edited by ostripper; 21st October 2010 at 12:36 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 21st October 2010, 08:50 PM   #728
sng001 is offline sng001  Australia
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Sydney
Hi OS,

Thanks for the tips, I will see if I can change the pickup point for G1.

I did a quick change to D97 so that it is no longer crooked.

I use KiCad which is a free software. I found that the learning curve is not too bad, may be because I used the DOS version of Protel AutoTrax before. The default libraries are good but I already added quite a few of my custom footprints to the user library.


Cheers, Stanley
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Mongrel PB120_C25a.JPG (307.9 KB, 313 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 21st October 2010, 11:30 PM   #729
diyAudio Member
 
keantoken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Texas
Blog Entries: 1
OS, I got the box today.

Is there any simple way to clamp outputs to a heatsink using ordinary household materials?

- keantoken
  Reply With Quote
Old 22nd October 2010, 08:16 AM   #730
diyAudio Member
 
ostripper's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Albany , NY (smallbany)
Quote:
Originally Posted by keantoken View Post
OS, I got the box today.

Is there any simple way to clamp outputs to a heatsink using ordinary household materials?

- keantoken
Kool... USPS is dang kwik!!
I use these... they are $1-2 apiece at a local ACE hardware store... (below pix1)
for doing either low or high power amps you need 1 - 6-32 tap and 1- 4-40 tap.
you ask the helpful hardware man to select the 2 drill bits for these taps ,...drill the holes and the 4-40 / 6-32 screws cost $0.10 cents apiece.. the NJW's mate with the 6-32 screws , the MJE's mate with the 4-40's along with the right insulator (pix2). the ksa3503 can be directly screwed to the HS.(with HS grease). the taps can be used with oil in the holes ... vice grip , slow turn .. back out , slow turn... you get factory results.

If you must , you can directly screw the NJW's to the HS with metal tapping screws using a mica or silicone insulator. the MJE's are more complicated with the shoulder washer shown in ( pix 2). I would suggest the taps from ace as they give the best results.
PS.. you can obtain the shoulder washers for the mje's from used PC power supplies .. usually 4 in each.

If you need more info I will PRESENT my tapping efforts NEXT on this thread... must do my PB60 "doghouse" amp..

OS

If you lack
Attached Images
File Type: jpg taps.jpg (352.8 KB, 136 views)
File Type: jpg swasher.jpg (78.8 KB, 114 views)
__________________
Mongrel website , always current and updated :
http://www.fidelityforce.com/ostripper

Last edited by ostripper; 22nd October 2010 at 08:22 AM.
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Symasym - the next generation (supersym) ostripper Solid State 253 18th August 2011 05:47 AM
Supersym patent Rescue Toaster Pass Labs 6 22nd January 2008 09:49 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 03:57 PM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2013 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright ©1999-2013 diyAudio