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Old 22nd January 2011, 12:39 PM   #41
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HornTube, would you not advocate a mixture of the laid back Silmics combined with the brighter more "revealing" caps like Black Gate, Cerafine, Os-con SECP and Panasonic (various)?
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Old 22nd January 2011, 01:03 PM   #42
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Rubycon ZL, ZLH, ZLA & BlackGates: Icy, cold, screaming HiFi, emotionless, static...

Or accurate, clean, crisp, precise - All down to your taste and POV I suspect.
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Old 22nd January 2011, 09:48 PM   #43
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HornTube, would you not advocate a mixture of the laid back Silmics combined with the brighter more "revealing" caps like Black Gate, Cerafine, Os-con SECP and Panasonic (various)?
Laid back? ELNA? Really?

Let me give an example: If you change the PSU el-caps in a SE or PP tube amp to Solen, ICW or Ansar (film caps) what are the most remarkable changes in sound?
1. Authority
2. Strong but solid and hear-through bass, sub bass is stronger.
3. Clean but smooth highs.
4. Much better micro-dynamics.
5. Much more ambiance-room details.
6. Speed.

change to BlackGates:
1. Authority - YES
2. Strong but solid and hear-through bass, sub bass is stronger - yes
3. Clean but smooth highs - NO
4. Much better micro-dynamics - NO
5. Much more ambiance-room details - YES
6. Speed - YES

change to ELNA:
1. Authority - YES
2. Strong but solid and hear-through bass, sub bass is stronger - YES
3. Clean but smooth highs - YES
4. Much better micro-dynamics - YES
5. Much more ambiance-room details - yes
6. Speed - yes

I would say that ELNA is the nearest thing to "no el-cap" sound. Very natural - not laid back. So why destroy the sound with OS-CONS or BlackGates and why pay so much!?
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Or accurate, clean, crisp, precise - All down to your taste and POV I suspect.
Precise does not mean (but many believe it, especially the beginners) aggressive and standing out highs. Precise means integrated highs.
Precise means rhythmic flow not speed & detail on all costs...
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Elna Silmics laid-back? Yes, that is what I have often been told. I've not done enough back to back testing of these caps to have such a confident opinion. I would not dare to make such bold and absolute assertions. I'll make more of my own experiments in time.

One thing I note is that you group all Elna together when some others, who have tested a lot, feel Elna Cerafine and Black Gate Standard actually offer a similar character. Why is your experience so different? Is it all experience or is there an assumption that one brand sounds a certain way regardless of model? It's hard to test all of these properly.
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LOL. This could get out of hand.

I find Silmics to sound shut in in the top end when I use them in line-level equipment, but I use them in amplifiers often as they don't seem to have the same effect. They are my weapon of choice for the bootstrap capacitor in Quad 306's for example.

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LOL. This could get out of hand.

Don't worry, if I try to go too far I'll just put on the badge and give myself a good talking to!
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I replaced some tiny cheap caps with Silmics in a power amp (not even sure what their job was) and boy was it a huge upgrade. I will have to try some in my pre-amp in place of the Rubycon ZA I have there...
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Cheers Ian,

btw, which voltage did you use for 220 & 470uf caps? I mean did you stay with factory 63v or put some other? I'm looking now for Panasonic FCs and Elna, but the majority of them is 50v. Of course, you could find 100v but they would be significantly more expensive and in some places difficult to place due to much bigger size. So I was wandering could I use 50v caps?
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