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Old 23rd April 2010, 04:53 PM   #1
akis is offline akis  United Kingdom
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The circuit below is meant to do a simple BASS/TREBLE adjustment. It works fine on the simulator. However on the board it oscillates at about 95KHz-100KHz with a funny looking, not sinusoidal shape at +/- 2 Volts! I have tried to replace the FET with a simple transistor in common collector - again exactly the same issue. If I disconnect the FET from the following circuit, and instead put a tone generator onto the rest of the circuit, then that works fine. The weird effects happen when the tone + FET stage is connected to the rest of the circuit.

Any help appreciated!
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Old 23rd April 2010, 06:18 PM   #2
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It works fine on the simulator.
Er, no it doesn't. 'Cos when I simulate (in my head) moving the wipers of both those pots to the earthy end, then you have no signal at the FET input i.e. it's connected to ground by 2*150K resistors and the input signal is grounded by the 2 * 100k pots.

Use a proper Baxandall or other tone control prototype and nomograms to design a conventional filter and use an opamp or two for some gain if necessary. Although it's probably heresy to say so here, anytime you've got 4 active discretes you should be thinking opamp, if only in terms of component count.

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Old 23rd April 2010, 06:45 PM   #3
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Hi, it is meant to cut off completely, it is for a guitar amp.

The puzzling thing is the oscillations at 95KHz (or thereabouts).

I will go experiment some more (on the real circuit).
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Old 23rd April 2010, 07:46 PM   #4
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You have four stages, cap coupled, with associated phase shifts. I did not take the time to calculate the gains, but it is not puzzling that it oscillates. All you need is a little bit of signal to leak from output to input in the right phase. Use a jfet opamp, keep the layout tidy, roll off the HF gain somewhere.

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Old 23rd April 2010, 08:21 PM   #5
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Maybe it just needs a decoupling capacitor between the positive power supply rail and earth?
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Old 23rd April 2010, 09:51 PM   #6
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I have added decoupling caps (do not show in diagram).

The very puzzling thing is that when i replaced the jFET with a transistor, the oscillation is still there.


This may be what wakibaki said: a leak from the output to the input, a gain of 100, and no HF rolloff other than paracitic capacitances.

Tomorrow morning I will try to roll off the HFs and see what happens.
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Old 24th April 2010, 09:46 PM   #7
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I simulated the error on the simulator by feeding some output to the input and it did almost exactly what the real circuit did. Fixed it by putting a filter at 120KHz at the gate of the FET.
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