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Old 25th February 2010, 05:28 AM   #31
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this stuff seems a little pointless. Surely its about carbon footprint? I like class A but have no car. I have hummer and have no lights, hotwater, hot food, heating etc.
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Old 25th February 2010, 06:44 AM   #32
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Fact: 40% of all electricity generated . . . . is lost in the transmission process.
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It wouldn't surprise me in the least

EU Plasma TV ban

The EU has already banned incandescent lightbulbs of 60W & above. Halogen bulbs are ok for now though, in a few years they'll be stuffing LED lightbulbs down our neck. They'll probably ban energy saving fluorescents due to the mercury used in the phosphors
Hmm, that's news to me. There still are plasma TVs in stores here, and prices are going down.

But as for the lightbulbs, it's true. But not including 60W. 75 and 100W bulbs have been banned indeed. And i sure wish they'd ban CFLs too, i HATE them.
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Fact: 40% of all electricity generated . . . . is lost in the transmission process.
Think that's bad? Calculate how much of the energy required to move a car down the road is actually used to move the driver.

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I'm happy to be an outlaw then
Why tell the feds its your heater, worst case you get tasered for insolence
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Old 25th February 2010, 09:22 AM   #37
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i'm of 2 minds about the whole thing actualy. I do have pretty good practices when it comes to saving energy, all lights are off if i'm not in the room for any length of time, I only have short showers, dont use chemical fertilizers on the garden, I buy energy efficient appliances for the rest of the house, the aircon or heater is only used under dire circumstances and only long enough to solve the immediate temperature crisis and then it goes off again, I drive a small (but reasonably sporty) car but use public transport quite regularly, I try to steer clear of products that use a great deal of resources in their manufacture and enjoy organic beef: but I do love class A electronics and use far more energy than is needed in that case perhaps, because it makes me happy

comparatively yes, when compared to the family that drives a massive 4 wheel drive so they and the kids are 'safe' or even just down to the shops, has a massive plasma that is left on sleep all day and a house full of sleeping electronics. blah blah blah. and to some degree this can make one feel better about themselves and lighten the load on the conscience, but really it doesnt mean zip. just because some people are patently irresponsible and ruining the planet at a considerably faster rate than I possibly am, does not really absolve me of guilt.

will this guilt keep me awake at night after i've blown my mind with some great music?.....

no not really

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Old 25th February 2010, 04:19 PM   #38
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I can see the 6 o'clock news headlines for 2020 now.......


A Class A amplifier addict and his audio junkie were arrested on multiple counts of excessive power consumption today. The suspects were taken into custody earlier this evening. Local officials have also confiscated a hidden portable generator and vintage power soaking pop-up LCD TV.....more news at eleven...........
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Hmm, that's news to me. There still are plasma TVs in stores here, and prices are going down.

But as for the lightbulbs, it's true. But not including 60W. 75 and 100W bulbs have been banned indeed. And i sure wish they'd ban CFLs too, i HATE them.
I think what they have done is ban the importing of certain plasma TVs into the EU. As per usual the papers don't give the full story. What has been banned is the earlier plasma type displays that were terribly inefficient. We all know that technology improves, the early 42" plasmas used somewhere near 500W if i'm not mistaken

Plasmas are still available here in England to, i think they'll be rather more efficient though.

As for the bulbs, you are right In the UK they'll be banning the 60W bulbs soon. Anything over that is already history.

I actually quite like energy saving CFLs Much better choice of light "colour" & colour rendering is better even on a 2700K tube, let alone a 6500K daylight tube.
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