I would not look so hard at the price tag.
I had a 2000 Euro amp on the bench that when opened contained (chip) amplifiers intended by the original chip manufacturer for cheap TV-sets (no, no lm3886 or similar).
And yes the amp is from a highly reputable, high $ manufacturer and the amp had many excellent reviews.
If emotions are not backed up by objective criteria, people can end up buying such stuff.
Have fun, Hannes
Glad you had the time to reply but if you had taken notice of the whole post, you would see that I had replied to a 'pdf' article where the autor said there is no difference in interconnects. I described the difference in the £20 cable to the £50 by the means of a highly noticable improvent in audible symbol resonance and not the price of cables or any other component for that matter.
The thread is supposed to be based on the initial question, which is burn/run in times.
I wasn't expecting arguements, just opinions.
Thanks, I thought you didn't disagree with opinions? as you put it "afterall, they're only opinions"
Don't worry, I don't.
For electronic gear and speaker's crossovers break-in depends on components used, especially caps; some caps takes 30-50 hours, others even 100 hours.
Some examples:
Panasonic FC/FM 30 hours
Elna Silmic 40-50 hours but sligtlly changes until 100 hours
Nichicon KZ 100 hours
Mundorf MCAP Zn, Obbligatos 30-40 hours
Wima MKP10 40-50 hours
Probably also speaker's suspension needs break-in but far less than caps in crossovers so it's not an issue.
No particular experience with cables (I'm not sayng that cables doesn't change but simply I didn't made any comparison).
As a general rule of thumb I would not judge any equipment before 100 hours.
Revelatory
So you agree all your statements are opinions, not based on any factual data? That's quite a revelation!! Good for you... coming clean can be very cathartic...
I trust myself to the extent of my "horizon of knowledge".. and earn a tidy sum from many others by NOT trusting drivel and "opinions" arrogantly stated as "fact" from "experts in the field"...
As for burn in... why worry about it anyway? Just use your equipment, and stop "expecting" things to change...
So you agree all your statements are opinions, not based on any factual data? That's quite a revelation!! Good for you... coming clean can be very cathartic...
I trust myself to the extent of my "horizon of knowledge".. and earn a tidy sum from many others by NOT trusting drivel and "opinions" arrogantly stated as "fact" from "experts in the field"...
As for burn in... why worry about it anyway? Just use your equipment, and stop "expecting" things to change...
I'm not worrying, just a simple straight forward question looking for a straight forward answer.
Sorry boss!
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What's wrong with simply answering thread questions?
What the hell is wrong with folk on this site? all everyone seems to do is argue or slate others for having their own opinion! I've never come across a forum with so much negativity.
If you already buyed it you're absolutely right but if you have the opportunity to try different equipment and you judge without giving them the time to settle in you could do the wrong choice... 😉
No, it's not only on this site.
Also here in Italy there are two factions: the one who trust only to measurement and logic and the ones that trust only their ears.
IMHO neither of the two factions are right.
Personally I do trust measurement and my ears. If my ears says that two comparable components sounds different I trust my ears...
You got that answer a couple of times and immediately discounted it, despite it likely being true.
Uh? I didn't discount anything. If you read the whole thread and take notice of who wrote what, you'll see I asked for any technical answers or alternatively; a broad opinion, not just one mans definative answer which is expected to taken as gospel, just because he says so.
Seems it's not just random folk who add negativity to threads, moderators do too.
yeah right
So if my opinion is that burn in is irrelevant to most aspects of this hobby, it's NOT ALLOWED IN YOUR THREAD... but anyone stating their opinion that burn in exists and here's how many (minutes, hours, days, eons, millenia), implying factual data w/o a shred of confirmation, is not only allowed, it's encouraged, and anyone disagreeing is disparaged as a "natering nabob of negativism"...
Okay, rename the thread illusions of grandeur and opinions stated as fact re: burn in of equipment... sorry to bother you...
I'll have a beer now... lighten up, it's just a ******* hobby...
So if my opinion is that burn in is irrelevant to most aspects of this hobby, it's NOT ALLOWED IN YOUR THREAD... but anyone stating their opinion that burn in exists and here's how many (minutes, hours, days, eons, millenia), implying factual data w/o a shred of confirmation, is not only allowed, it's encouraged, and anyone disagreeing is disparaged as a "natering nabob of negativism"...
Okay, rename the thread illusions of grandeur and opinions stated as fact re: burn in of equipment... sorry to bother you...
I'll have a beer now... lighten up, it's just a ******* hobby...
WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT?????
Think you may have your wires crossed.
Did I say your opinion was wrong? NO, did I say anyone who disagreed with 'burning in' was wrong? NO! Do I believe the 'burning in' theory? NOT SURE, hence the thread.
I said I was looking for a broad opinion!
Sorry but when I mentioned negativity, I was refering to your harsh reply to John Curls post, I may not agree with folk but I don't attack them personally like you do.
Argggh, I didn't realise this site had a load of trolls.
MODERATORS; please remove all my threads and posts from this forum.
Answer to original question is as in post #2
Why oh why is it believed semiconductors "improve" with use.
The biggest factor in all this is whether you "believe" in all that, and that in itself makes you hear "what you want to hear"
Edit... this is a good time to mention warmup time too.
If your amplifier etc genuinely does sound better after an hour or whatever of being switched on then that points to a genuinely poor design... again most of this is down to "belief"
Why oh why is it believed semiconductors "improve" with use.
The biggest factor in all this is whether you "believe" in all that, and that in itself makes you hear "what you want to hear"
Edit... this is a good time to mention warmup time too.
If your amplifier etc genuinely does sound better after an hour or whatever of being switched on then that points to a genuinely poor design... again most of this is down to "belief"
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Yes, I find that bottles get emptier too. Perhaps there's a connection ...
This stuff has been "discussed" soooo many times without getting anywhere. At this stage I think any question related to burn-in and/or cables is generally interpreted as "Hey, let's have another argument!"
Don't worry about John, he enjoys a good argument too and can give as good as he gets (if not better) 😉
btw - I find that although threads like this start warming up after a few pages, they're not at their funniest until around the 100 page mark. Does that count as burn-in?
This stuff has been "discussed" soooo many times without getting anywhere. At this stage I think any question related to burn-in and/or cables is generally interpreted as "Hey, let's have another argument!"
I don't tend to read threads regarding cables so I haven't noticed. You are most probably correct though, I apologise for opening the can.
Burn in, I guess so 🙂
I realised I had made a mistake asking what the times are regarding burn in, so I started another burn/run in fact or fiction thread and asked the moderators to remove this one.
and rip-off artist make big bucks at the same time on the ignorance of many, what else is new?
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