Szekeres with CCS NFB?

kacernator · 3rd August 2009, 02:27 PM

Hi,

I have built Szekeres headphone amplifier with LM317 CCS. How do I implement the negative feedback? Should I just connect resistor after the output coupling cap back to the source of the mosfet?

Thanks.

h_a · 3rd August 2009, 02:37 PM

This is a ClassA biased source follower - that already enjoys 100% voltage feedback. Not sure, why you want more

Have fun, Hannes

kacernator · 3rd August 2009, 05:57 PM

Ah, didnt know that. But it soounds there is not enough bass and trebles, it sound towards mids. So if I would like to try more gNFB should I just connect the resistor defacto across the output cap?

Bigun · 3rd August 2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by kacernator
Ah, didnt know that. But it soounds there is not enough bass and trebles, it sound towards mids. So if I would like to try more gNFB should I just connect the resistor defacto across the output cap?

I don't think that's going to work to your satisfaction. The output cap is there to ensure that only the alternating output signal finds it's way to your headphones. You don't want to be putting a resistor across it.

You could play around with some other things but with a single transistor amplifier you shouldn't expect miracles.

One thing that will have an effect on the low frequencies is the input filter of C1 and associated resistors. A larger value of C1 can improve low frequency response.

If I understand correctly the feedback is via Source degeneration - in other words it's set by the constant current source. You could put a capacitor in there, in parallel with the current source to reduce the negative feedback at higher frequencies. This might boost the treble but can also make it unstable - so you'll want to experiment.

I never saw this circuit before so hope I didn't provide some bad advice...

Lumba Ogir · 3rd August 2009, 08:47 PM

Hi,
would this work?

kacernator · 4th August 2009, 04:59 AM

Hi,

I have solved my problem by increasing the value of output to 4700uF. (I am using 32 Ohm headphones).

Thanks for your ideas.

Lumba Ogir · 4th August 2009, 05:15 AM

kacernator,
sorry for asking, but what problem did it solve?

kacernator · 4th August 2009, 05:32 AM

It solved my problem with bass response. Also overall sound is more focused, not so smeared, maybe because of better phase shifts too.

Lumba Ogir · 4th August 2009, 06:30 AM

kacernator,
simplicity is a great benefit, but this degree of simplicity is not beneficial.

kacernator · 4th August 2009, 06:58 AM

I know it is not the best, but now it sounds very very good to me. I am driving it with aikido front end...really great sound. I am missing nothing in sound. Mayeb add an external EQ to compensate for not so good (cheap) headphones.

PS: I lowered the output cap to 2200uF, as 4700uF was overkill.

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h_a diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Graz, Austria	This is a ClassA biased source follower - that already enjoys 100% voltage feedback. Not sure, why you want more Have fun, Hannes __________________ fresh matched IRFP240/IRFP9240 fets \|\| AlephJ/JX-kits F5 transistor kits \|\| Burning Amp BA-1/2/3 transistor kits

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3rd August 2009, 05:57 PM	#3
kacernator diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2008	Ah, didnt know that. But it soounds there is not enough bass and trebles, it sound towards mids. So if I would like to try more gNFB should I just connect the resistor defacto across the output cap?

4th August 2009, 04:59 AM	#6
kacernator diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2008	Hi, I have solved my problem by increasing the value of output to 4700uF. (I am using 32 Ohm headphones). Thanks for your ideas.

4th August 2009, 05:15 AM	#7
Lumba Ogir Banned Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Stockholm	kacernator, sorry for asking, but what problem did it solve?

4th August 2009, 05:32 AM	#8
kacernator diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2008	It solved my problem with bass response. Also overall sound is more focused, not so smeared, maybe because of better phase shifts too.

4th August 2009, 06:30 AM	#9
Lumba Ogir Banned Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Stockholm	kacernator, simplicity is a great benefit, but this degree of simplicity is not beneficial.

4th August 2009, 06:58 AM	#10
kacernator diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2008	I know it is not the best, but now it sounds very very good to me. I am driving it with aikido front end...really great sound. I am missing nothing in sound. Mayeb add an external EQ to compensate for not so good (cheap) headphones. PS: I lowered the output cap to 2200uF, as 4700uF was overkill.

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