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Old 5th May 2009, 05:05 PM   #1
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Default HiFI OP-AMPs, BJTs, and FETs how do I choose them?

I'm fairly inexperienced in Semiconductor Electronics. I am a young degreed E.E. but that doesn't mean much in terms of experience in Audio electronics. The little experience I do have mis mostly in Tubes.

I'm looking to upgrade the audio equipment I have as well as recording gear.

How do I choose parts? I've read there are some popular opamps by burr brown (now TI) etc. But How in the world do I know what is good?


ALSO, when I'm replacing a transistor (I am now on a blown driver section on an old pioneer amplifier) how do I know what to get? I have two power transistors (D525 and B595) that are shorted. I need new ones. I'd like to get better ones if I can since this is an OLD piece of gear. But I have no idea where to start. I can't even find the originals at any place I've looked (part D525 and B595) which would be at mouser and digikey. Are there brands that I should look for/avoid?

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Old 5th May 2009, 05:20 PM   #2
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Hi,
can you find the datasheet for the 2sb595 and 2sd525?

Download it and compare specs to currently available drivers.
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Hi,
can you find the datasheet for the 2sb595 and 2sd525?

Download it and compare specs to currently available drivers.
Ok got the data sheet from NTE
http://www.nteinc.com/specs/10to99/pdf/nte54.pdf



Forgive me for ignorance here but how do I use those specs. Obviously I will want an NPN and PNP and to the Voltage and Current ratings. But here are my questions on that:
-If I go over the voltage and current ratings will that be ok? I'm assuming so
-What else should I look for?
-Can I tell from the Datasheet that the transistor will sound better or worse than the originals?
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Old 5th May 2009, 06:28 PM   #5
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Sorry,
Hopefully this works:
http://www.nteinc.com/specs/10to99/pdf/nte54.pdf
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Old 5th May 2009, 06:49 PM   #6
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Maybe 2SD525 and 2SB595 are obsolete and hence will be difficult to find.

I would not trust NTE replacement specs to be valid, try to find an original data sheet, or data book

you know you could just search - you might find for example:
http://www.jmnic.com/pdf/2sd/2SD525.pdf

Besides the obvious V, I and power ratings you may need to consider beta, and ft; newer, possibly faster transistors could require modifying the circuit to prevent oscillation.

I could help more but my data books and stash of old transistors are thousands of miles away!!
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Maybe 2SD525 and 2SB595 are obsolete and hence will be difficult to find.

I would not trust NTE replacement specs to be valid, try to find an original data sheet, or data book

you know you could just search - you might find for example:
http://www.jmnic.com/pdf/2sd/2SD525.pdf

Besides the obvious V, I and power ratings you may need to consider beta, and ft; newer, possibly faster transistors could require modifying the circuit to prevent oscillation.

I could help more but my data books and stash of old transistors are thousands of miles away!!
OK faster... there's a hifi term I was looking for. How do I find the speed of a transistor. Bandwidth seems to be another hifi term I hear on semiconductors. Can I tell from data sheets which parts will sound better?

I'm not so much worried about replacing them with the originals. I'd like to upgrade if possible.

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Originally posted by pacificblue
http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/

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Old 6th May 2009, 03:49 AM   #9
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Ok, I have some answers on how to find the parts for this amp... but still my original question:

HiFI OP-AMPs, BJTs, and FETs how do I choose them?


Is it something where I look at data sheets and find the numbers and specs.

How do I know how fast the component is?

Also, I hear the word Bandwidth thrown around all the time. What does that mean in the world of audio and transistors/opamps?

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How do I know how fast the component is?
Also, I hear the word Bandwidth thrown around all the time. What does that mean in the world of audio and transistors/opamps

As far as a replacement for your devices , TIP41/42c
http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/TI/TIP41.pdf
are the best bet.
How did I choose these ?
1. Ft (bandwidth) is lower. BUT , this is an audio amp (not RF).
2sd/b's are 12mhz -=TIP' s are 3mhz. If the sub was 20-30 Mhz,
I might be worried that my amp would oscillate. (it was compensated for 12mhz devices.)

2. Pc (collector dissipation) the tip's are 65W and the 2sd/b's
are 40W. a Little more is better for a good repair.
SOA of the tip's is also better .

3. Hfe (dc current gain) 2sd/b's is 40 @ 300mA and the TIP's
are 44 @ 300ma , Close. One might have to re-adjust bias
just a little.. look at first typical characteristics plot in the tip41 datasheet.
4. Vceo - voltage rating tip41c = 2sd525 = 100v... right on.

And most important , experiance. 5. my first childhood amp
had these devices (2sd525/2sb595 / kenwood 20w int. amp)
and the tip's worked out like a charm.
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