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Old 26th January 2009, 12:17 PM   #21
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Emitter resistors are necessary in the real world as they help in current sharing between paralleled transistors - remember real parts are not perfectly equal in their parameters (especially beta or VGS) This is one of the points not seen in simulation.

Another point is that simulation regularly predicts unrealistic results. That's due to insufficient models and often also due to incorrect simulation. Just simulate a known amp (where you have all specs and plots) and compare. You will be surprised.

In any case, at these low levels of THD also construction details as pcb-layout, wiring, position of the toroid and more become decisive wether you reach your goal or not.

Do not keep your eye so close to the simulator, build and measure the beast.

Have fun, Hannes

PS: if you want real fun, measure THD while moving the wiring in the amp.
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Old 26th January 2009, 09:43 PM   #22
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Fotios, I never thanked you properly for your help on the transformers. Thanks, Fotios.

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Emitter resistors are necessary in the real world as they help in current sharing between paralleled transistors - remember real parts are not perfectly equal in their parameters (especially beta or VGS) This is one of the points not seen in simulation.

Another point is that simulation regularly predicts unrealistic results. That's due to insufficient models and often also due to incorrect simulation. Just simulate a known amp (where you have all specs and plots) and compare. You will be surprised.

In any case, at these low levels of THD also construction details as pcb-layout, wiring, position of the toroid and more become decisive wether you reach your goal or not.

Do not keep your eye so close to the simulator, build and measure the beast.

Have fun, Hannes

PS: if you want real fun, measure THD while moving the wiring in the amp.
Well, I got some small heatsinks out of the monitor and will breadboard a small prototype in a minute with no parallel outputs. Let's hope the smoke stays inside.

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Old 26th January 2009, 10:34 PM   #23
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Is there something wrong with my MJE340/350s?

There isn't a metal pad on the back. Just plastic.



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Old 26th January 2009, 11:29 PM   #24
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There isn't a metal pad on the back. Just plastic.

Most TO-126 are like this. In my opinion, a benefit - no isolation washer needed, just grease it up an' bolt it on.
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Old 27th January 2009, 01:27 AM   #25
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Hannes,
the quality of your contribution has unexpectedly risen lately. Have you maybe taken an evening class?
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Old 27th January 2009, 02:36 AM   #26
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By MJL - There isn't a metal pad on the back. Just plastic
That is strange.. old 340's and even old c3503's HAVE metal
on the backs of the devices, but the new MJE/KSA to-126's
are all plastic.

Once I found this out I realized you could mount them
"backwards" for PCB layouts,etc . No mica required either .
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Old 27th January 2009, 05:52 AM   #27
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I am struggling with this Single End MOSFET Class A.
It is kinda ZEN but uses one current source at 1 Ampere.
Output devices are N-Channel.

Only four transistors: 2 x 2N5401 and 2 x Exicon ECF20N20
Think two Exicon ECF10N20 will work just as well.

At 18 VDC, 1 Ampere = 18 Watt,
it can produce 2, maybe 2.5 Watt RMS with acceptable dist.
Mainly 2nd and 3rd harmonics. The higher orders will fall off nicely.

It is not easy to balance gain, bias and operation voltage
to make this amplifier optimal.
But it is a nice project and fairly low idle powers.

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Old 27th January 2009, 08:11 AM   #28
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Hi Lumba,

not that I'm aware of

Especially my last post was plain general info that everybody also finds with a little search here on the forum.

But I think you just refer to my putting down of SPICE; I think you maybe misunderstand me here. SPICE is a perfectly nice tool for evaluating amps, but it has it's limits. If you seriously go for anything less than 0.05% THD I would not trust SPICE. The models are - in my experience - much too limited in quality.*

Of course one can improve them (andy_c did that), but everybody who is able to do that also knows the above.

Have fun, Hannes

*real pros excluded.
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Old 28th January 2009, 04:18 AM   #29
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Hannes,
answering late a previous question, please check this book:
Hartmann, William M.
Signals, sound and sensation.
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Old 28th January 2009, 08:10 AM   #30
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Hi Lumba,

thanks for the reference - I'm lucky our library has it. Let's have a look.

Have fun, Hannes
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