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Old 22nd March 2003, 03:27 PM   #41
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Hi Nw_avphile...and others...

For me there are two questions in this thead...the subjective acessement of amplifier sound quality and the Hafler nulling test!

Yes i agreed that all amps don't sound the same...as they also donīt have the same residual in the nulling test!
But as a pearson that use this test (for years)in the the acessement of the quality of my own designs...i have noted that every time i reduce the null...the sound quality improve the same proportion!!

I' remember the entangling of the Hi-Fi news /stereo revue crew...when they compare using the nulling test the hafler and a very expensive Audio Research...and some letters from David Hafler to Martin Coloms..

Many years have passed and the most powerfull tool in acessing amps linearity....is not only forgotten...but sometimes deliberately
ignored

So if we can use this test...and overcome the subjctive and dependent of state of mind analyses...i think that is a great help in amplifier design!!

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PS : When you reduce the null residual ...donīt you agree with a improvement in sound quelity???
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There are a number of amps that would fare horribly on a null test that are, nonetheless, regarded by some as having an excellent sound quality. Not everyone is designing with the idea that an amp's output voltage should faithfully replicate the input voltage times a constant.

The null test (when front-to-back time is accounted for) is very useful to compare the degree of fidelity of amplifiers. It does not, however, tell you which errors are audible and which errors aren't. Only valid listening tests can tell you that.
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Old 22nd March 2003, 03:50 PM   #44
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Default The true...or the tinted version...

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Not everyone is designing with the idea that an amp's output voltage should faithfully replicate the input voltage times a constant
Of corse...but for me this is role of a amplifier...to do amplification whitout nothing added nothing subtracted...
The wire with gain!!!
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The null test (when front-to-back time is accounted for) is very useful to compare the degree of fidelity of amplifiers. It does not, however, tell you which errors are audible and which errors aren't.
But the nulling test let you even hear the residual null!!!
Thats the beauty of this test...

But if people prefer euphonic colorations...be free to enjoy it...but please don't call that High Fidelity Amplifiers...
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OK, Eric that must be it. I've got crappy speakers AND I'm an alcoholic.
LOL, LOL, LOL .....
Yeah, you too huh ?
Relax and enjoy it I say.

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I only posted that quote from Mr. Pass because i do agree with
what he was saying. If you're under the pressure of A/B
comparison - and someone is in your ear saying - do you hear a
difference? - - - that pressure or atmosphere is not how -
At least it's not how i - listen to music, and form opinions on the
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Hehehe. Ok, let's give the folks a break before we're booted out of this thread for being off topic.

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