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Old 20th April 2008, 06:18 PM   #11
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overbias (biasing a class B into class A) can cause some distortion in the crossover area due more to lowered output impedance within the crossover region than to transistor nonlinearities.
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Old 20th April 2008, 09:09 PM   #12
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So I understand you clearly say with the 65v for now and turn the bias up a little correct? Or turn the voltage down with the voltage pot and turn the bias up which is what I think you saying?

Also would you be kind enough to give the equation on the amount of current per mV?

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DJK also when you say cranking the bias up what do you think would be safe point?

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there isn't a voltage pot. but if you want to lower the rail voltages without getting another tranny, you could do it with a pair of series pass regulators. if they were adjustable, you would then have voltage pots.
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there is a voltage pot and it says voltage adjust right under it
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Old 21st April 2008, 12:00 AM   #16
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"overbias (biasing a class B into class A) can cause some distortion in the crossover area due more to lowered output impedance within the crossover region than to transistor nonlinearities."

I know.

There is an optimum bias point for distortion. As you increase bias the distortion will go down, dip, and then go up as you further increase the bias (when measured with an IM anlyzer). As I mentioned before, Yamaha made several amps around this time with class A switches that could be flipped in a matter of seconds, and it didn't make even a small difference (as long as you didn't run it out of power in class A).

Without an analyzer I would probably set the bias to 20mV (about 40mA per device) and be done with it.

"you could do it with a pair of series pass regulators"

Which would then add another 75W per channel of dissipation to the sinks (at ±30V rails), and they would run at the boiling point of water (for a short time).

"when you say cranking the bias up what do you think would be safe point?"

As mentioned before:

"If you just cranked the bias until the heatsinks would be about 60°C the amp would put out about 6.5W in class A. This would require about 130mV of bias. I would try this and see if I liked the sound, and could live with that much heat."

I don't think the heatsink will stand any more (and the output transistors life will probably be reduced).
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"there is a voltage pot and it says voltage adjust right under it"

Look at the schematic, it's for the front end and only supplies a few mA.
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Old 21st April 2008, 10:55 AM   #18
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on the amp board or the power supply board? sorry, i don't have a service manual for it...
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Old 21st April 2008, 12:04 PM   #19
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"i don't have a service manual for it..."

ACD posted the link, 14MB.

"on the amp board or the power supply board? "

On the front end card, one per channel.
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The heatsinks of the M4 (B4) do not look very encouraging for Class A operation.
A suggestion might be to open up the bottom plate of the M4 chassis, similar to the openings under the heatsink as in the B4 model, and mount a small desktop processor fan under each heatsink wing.
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