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Old 16th March 2008, 02:15 PM   #1
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Question Polytone Power Amp Oscillation

Hello,
I have a Polytome Mini-Brute 3 on my workbech.
Preamp is fine but the Power transistors were blown.
I changed the Power and driver transistors but the amp
shows oscillation (under load only) now.
Any Idea what to do ???

I'm a tube guy and overstrained with it .

Here's the Schematic:-sorry it's upside down
http://www.murchmusic.com/Polytone%20Info/schem2.JPG

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Old 16th March 2008, 07:33 PM   #2
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It's junk.

Throw it out buy a new Behringer.
It's junk too...
Keep the speaker and cabinet.

That's the glib and fast response.

you didn't state what sort of oscillation it shows under load??
LF, HF, riding on the signal, audible, ultrasonic, what??

What parts did you use to replace the old MJ802/4502 with?
Perhaps since they are not followers here, the gain of the new devices plays a role... or not.

How about the input pair??

Etc...

It's the same as tubes, but think triodes and positive bias, not negative bias... higher current, lower voltages... the short version...

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Old 16th March 2008, 10:02 PM   #3
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thanks for your answer bear.

It is HF oscillation which is riding on the signal.not audible(maybe a litle distortion)
It dosn't shows up on small output voltage swing.(up to 4Vpp into 4 Ohm)

I changed with original (recomended) parts.
MJ 4502/802 for power and MJE 172/182 for driver .
I didn't change the input transistor.should I ?

May there is a easy way to mod the circuit to a more stable one.
Loosing some HF wouldn't be a problem.
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Old 17th March 2008, 12:37 AM   #4
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ck caps c7,c8,c12. ck p/s for ripple or diode noise.


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Old 17th March 2008, 12:59 PM   #5
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Tanks Elwood !
would you explain it more simple for me ?

what do you mean with "ck caps"-i only know this term
as cathode bypass caps in tube circuits.

should i check ,increase or replace these caps ?

thanks and sorry for dumb question .
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Old 17th March 2008, 03:46 PM   #6
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Hello again,

Sorry for the abreviation, those caps are in places that can cause high freq oscillation and they are cheap and easily replaced. All old electrolytics are suspect as well. It would not hurt to look at the power supply with an o'scope to make sure it's clean and noise free.

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Old 17th March 2008, 06:18 PM   #7
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Thanks Elwood !

I just put a 100 pF bc-cap across Q4 ( driver on neg. rail)
and this seems to solve the osc. problem.
I saw this bc-cap on the in the elliot P3A wich is similar to the polytone power stage.
Could someone explain why only one driver is HF-bypassed with
a bc-cap.
Would it be safer to spend a second bc-cap for the pos.rail driver?

Thanks for your help .
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Old 17th March 2008, 08:30 PM   #8
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Hello again...

I'm relatively new to this as well but as i understand what you have done is create local feed back on that one transistor so that one transistor only processes 1/2 the signal so doing the same to q3 would at least make it symetric. That being said i think either c7 or c12 may be leaky. play with it and see what happens.


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Old 17th March 2008, 11:08 PM   #9
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BTW do a search for polytone mini brute in this forum some interesting and relevent stuff...


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