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Old 1st January 2008, 06:59 PM   #1
KirkW is offline KirkW  United States
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Default Obsolete Motorola Transistor Replacement

have a Tapco CP500 power amplifier with bad output transistors. The transistors are Motorola SJ9017 and SJ9018. I've Googled them and found no spec's. NTE offers replacements but they are expensive and I'm not thrilled with using NTE anyway. I contacted ON Semiconductors and they said these devices were special and no data sheets are available.

I have no problem replacing the SJ's with another device but without spec's, I'm not sure where to start.

Can anyone help me out?

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Old 1st January 2008, 09:02 PM   #2
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Hi Kirk

There are several transistors which might replace these. Most of the likely candidates (MJ15003/4 etc) are likley to be an improvement.

I have no idea what your originals were; but Motorola made many devices, so the starting point would be what voltage is your amp. operating at; and what output power?

Many older transistors might have fT's of 4 Mhz, and a pretty safe bet replacement might be MJ21193/4 as these also have 4 MHz fT.

As a guess I'd say your devices might have been 150W, 80V rating, in which case the MJ21193/4 would be ideal. Most of the older transistors had fairly signficant second breakdown de-ratings, anyway - such as starting at half the max. Vceo but the MJ21193/4 will sustain 80V at full power....

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Old 3rd January 2008, 02:32 AM   #3
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Thanks John. I think you are probably in the ballpark with the ratings. The power supply voltages are +/- 60VDC. The amp is rated at 250 watts per channel. Four transistors per side are paralleled to supply that power.
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Old 3rd January 2008, 02:52 AM   #4
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FYI, + 60 VDC would be typical of a 150-175 W/C amp. 80VDC is typical for 200-225.
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Old 3rd January 2008, 11:10 PM   #5
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Hi Kirk

MJ21193/MJ21194's should be a good sub.

They have fT's of 4 MHz and good gain linearity. I presume your amp. ratings were for 4 ohms - +/- 60V would be suitable only for 100-150 W into 8 ohms.

You may not need to parallel four devices - each MJ21193/4 is rated at 250W. MOtorola built some devices at 200W but they would not have had the second breakdown, I think, of the MJ21193/4's.

Two MJ21193's and 4's per side would be a minimum for 4 ohms, but you could use three or replace all four transistors with a fair degree of overkill power to hand. Adding too many transistors increases the junction capacitance without much additional benefit.

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Old 4th January 2008, 12:52 AM   #6
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Thanks to all. I will give the MJ's a try!

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Old 4th January 2008, 08:45 AM   #7
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Hi Kirk,

Real substitutes are 2SD555 for SJ9017 and 2SD600 for SJ9018.
Bad news: these 2SD devices are obsolete too.
The good news: specifications for these 2SDs are available!

Vce0=200V
Icmax=15A (10A in some datasheets)
Pdmax=200W
Ft~7MHz (14MHz in some datasheets)

The MJ21193/MJ21194 pair should work perfectly. Be careful to pick up genuine ones (Onsemi or NOS Motorola), there are a lot of fake semiconductor in the markets!

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Old 27th May 2009, 04:15 AM   #8
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I thought the 2SD devices were Toshiba not motorola???


I have one of these amps. one channel works. the other toast if anyone wants it for parts.



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Quote:
Originally posted by Zero Cool
I thought the 2SD devices were Toshiba not motorola???

Zc
I didn't think the D555/B600 pair was Toshiba *or* Motorola..... I think they were Hitachi. The Toshibas are D424/B554.
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I didn't think the D555/B600 pair was Toshiba *or* Motorola..... I think they were Hitachi. The Toshibas are D424/B554.
You may be right! i always get those confused its the 554/555 thing that gets me!
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