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panson_hk 28th August 2007 07:49 AM

Bridge amp config comparison
 
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I don't know whether this was discussed or not. I know two bridge amp configurations. Is third one available? Or even more?

For the two config shown here, which one is better? I simulated them in LTspice. FFT and .FOUR results show that Top one has a lower THD than the bottom one. Is it the whole picture?

panson_hk 28th August 2007 07:59 AM

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FFT waveforms.

Ideal op-amp and NE5543 model were used in the simulation. The performance difference for NE5534 is minor.

diy_audio_fo 28th August 2007 10:50 AM

Re: Bridge amp config comparison
 
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Originally posted by panson_hk
I don't know whether this was discussed or not. I know two bridge amp configurations. Is third one available? Or even more?

I know at least two more:

- SuperSymmetry by Nelson Pass (google " supersymmetry nelson pass" and " supersymmetry passdiy" and in this forum " supersymmetry lm3886"

AFAIK there are several ICs by Texas Instrument based on Nelson Pass patent

- SSM2142 Balance Line Driver by Analog Devices www.analog.com

Marco

jcx 28th August 2007 03:59 PM

any two identical amps can be driven by a pair of balanced signals

the signal can come from a seperate phase splitter circuit on the input, CT sec transformer, or active diff output circuit or a true balanced source (many DACs)

jerluwoo 28th August 2007 09:16 PM

The reason your second circuit has higher thd is because the second amp is being fed by the output of the first. There is more distortion from the amp device output being divided and reamplified than there is from being fed by a source like in the first circuit.

longthrow 29th August 2007 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by jerluwoo
The reason your second circuit has higher thd is because the second amp is being fed by the output of the first. There is more distortion from the amp device output being divided and reamplified than there is from being fed by a source like in the first circuit.
i agree with that!
since the output of the inverting amp is taken from the non-inverting stage;aside from the signal,distortion from the non-inv amp is also amplified by the inv stage..in this amp configuration,higher thd is expected.

AJT 29th August 2007 02:51 AM

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Originally posted by jerluwoo
The reason your second circuit has higher thd is because the second amp is being fed by the output of the first. There is more distortion from the amp device output being divided and reamplified than there is from being fed by a source like in the first circuit.
I am not sure now, as the lower amp has a gain of 1, i can't see how it can amplify distortions from the other amp....


:D

jerluwoo 29th August 2007 03:09 AM

Yes one would think it has reduced gain but it actually has the same gain as the top amp. If you measure where the 2 11k's meet the 1k it will show the same amplitude as the original signal being fed to the top amp. So if they are fed the same amplitude signal at the input they must have the same gain in order for the amplitude at the outputs to be the same. If you make the gain of the lower amp 1 then you would need to change both 11k resistors to 1k to achieve the same amplitude at both outputs. The same increased distortion will remain though.

jerluwoo 29th August 2007 03:24 AM

Just noticed also that your first example ,both fed from the source, is unbalanced. Top amp has a gain of 10 and the lower 11. This will affect your distortion sims.

AJT 29th August 2007 03:37 AM

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Originally posted by jerluwoo
Just noticed also that your first example ,both fed from the source, is unbalanced. Top amp has a gain of 10 and the lower 11. This will affect your distortion sims.

yup, in the lower set, to which i commented, all the gain is provided by U1 and U4 is just a unity buffer, this configuration is much better than the upper one..imho...


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