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Join Date: Jun 2007
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Hello,
Here is my situation. I am DIYing a horn loaded system that will be quite efficient (about 104 dB / watt). However the bass bin uses dual drivers so the impedance may dip as low as 3 Ohm. I will be bi-amping the speakers after an electronic crossover (Behringer DCX). It has plenty of voltage output and an output Z of 180 Ohm. After the crossover I will going through a 4-channel pot (resistance betwen 10 - 25K). The cables (short & low capacitance) will then go to a pair of stereo amps. The amp for the bass bin might be an Adcom (GFA 535 or 545). It will have plenty of gain, however it only has an input Z of about 20KOhms. I would prefer the bridging impedance between the resistor pot (source) and the Adcom (load) to be about 10x different. My questions are: 1. Does it make sense to increase the input Z of the Adcom amp? Or would this be a headache or ill-advised? 2. If I don't have a 10:1 bridging impedance what are the consequences. I assume the voltage transfer is poorer (although the power transfer would be better). Would this limit the bandwidth or create distortion? 3. Having the higher input Z at the Adcom (if I go this route), would this make the cable run more susceptible to picking up noise, hum and RF (remember the efficiency of the speakers)? 4. The other idea is to solder fixed resistors in parallel with the pot (volume control) and brings its resistance (the source) down to lower value. Although at some point, wouldn't a very low resistance (load) require that the Behringer (source) is providing more current than it can deliver? BTW, since I am using very short, low capacitance cable after the pot & the pot is not that high of a resistance value, I am not worried about low pass filtering the signal ( 1 / 2pi F C). Also BTW, the idea of using multi switch resistor pad or a transformer as a volume control is not practical in this case Thanks, -Tom |
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Last time I looked, these amps had Mosfet inputs. If you aren't
running balanced inputs, then you can change the input resistor to ground to any value you like.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Re: increasing input Z on an Adcom 5x5 amp so I can have a bridging Z of about 10x (for use with a passive pre-amp)
This attached schematic is for a GFA 555 amp, but I assume the resistor in question is R2 (for both the Left and Right channels). I will be incresing this from 22k to close to 4 times that resistance. Is this the correct resistor? Thanks for your help, -Tom |
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No schematic. Is R1 from the input to the Gate, and then
R2 is from the Gate to the ground? If so, you should be able to make that increase.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Sorry about that.
Here is the attachment, I think (it does not show in my " preview") |
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Sorry, wrong amp. These inputs are bipolar, and you can
go to a higher value for R2, but you will see some DC offset as a result. Most likely you'll be better off leaving it alone. Are you sure your passive preamp won't drive it?
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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Thanks for leading me through this.
I will probably take an empirical approach to this and just give it try with a 15K or a 25K pot and see if it works. There should be plenty of voltage from the Behringer crossover so I am not worried about the gain. I assume if the resistor pot has a too low of resistance, the Behringer (source) may have problems providing enough current. I assume this would result in some sort of clipping and the consequent harmonic distortion. This should be easily seen on a scope, if the problem is severe enough. However if the input Z on the Adcom (load) is not sufficiently higher than the resistor pot resistance I am not sure what the consequence is. Folks always mention having a 10:1 difference between the load Z and the source Z. I assume this is to get an adequate voltage transfer. But I am not sure what happens if I deviate too much from the 10:1 "recommendation". If I simply lose a bit of gain, I am not worried. However, if I lose dynamic range or get clipping then I would be worried. The problem with these "rules of thumb" is that the consequences are never explained in physical terms. In either case, I will give it a try. The schematic I posted was labelled as a GFA 555, for all I know this could have been from a later series (I found it on the Web). Thanks for helping me out, -Tom |
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