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Old 29th May 2007, 02:52 PM   #1
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Default THE best subjective sound ?

Integrated,
non integrated: MOSFET output stage
non integrated : BIPOLAR output stage ?

Try to explain why, you have such opinion
Also say the name for your favorite

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Old 29th May 2007, 06:21 PM   #2
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anyone should know better than to use "Best" in any internet forum title

linking Subjective and Best is asking for nothing but "noise" - not knowledge - the likey motivation is Trolling - trying to spark a meaningless an endless argument


If you are earnest people have had more sucess asking the more answerable "can you hear the difference" question

one result:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...392#post152392
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Old 29th May 2007, 06:38 PM   #3
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I said SUBJECTIVE: I mean NO technical benefits of each design !!! I mean subjective approach !! What someone likes best

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Old 29th May 2007, 08:21 PM   #7
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Default Re: THE best subjective sound ?

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Integrated,
non integrated: MOSFET output stage
non integrated : BIPOLAR output stage ?

Try to explain why, you have such opinion
Also say the name for your favorite

Sorry if off topic
Is very hard to correlate a subjective "best" or simply "good" sound to any technical characterization. That's because if you dig a bit into circuits used, soon you discover that any "simple" characterization is driving you out the road to plain nonsense.
Simply there is not any kind of "components" or "schematic" sound (roughly at least). Any kind of sound is mostly "system" sound where "components" and "schematics" play, imho, a totally subordinated role.

Two key words must be keept in mind in analyzing (or designing) for any kind of sound has to be meet as distinctive goal: one, just spelled before, is "system"; the other is "synergy". Any kind of sound, whatever you want, is a product of a systematic choosing and implementing in circuit of some group of sinergies. This kind of (manly minded) choosing activities is very similar to that what drive in his behaviour a cook in kitchen: before any other step is mandatory establish the final result to be obtained in the dishes: ingredients, cooking times, tools to be used are, in some fashion, secondary, "tactical" aspect of cooking. The "strattegic" one is just the final result you want obtain from your work when come the moment of serving it on dining room.

Audio, especially high-end audio (or "high-subjective audio" as I prefer define it) is not too different from cooking activity: only the kind of "strategical" (sounds instead of tastes) result and "tactical" means available for reaching our goals are different: the main course (and behaviours) to achieve it are substantially the same: first fix an "aestethic" result to get as final and, subsequentely, collect and use the more appropriate (ever on a subjective basis of evaluation) means and practices available for reaching your aestethic goals at the best.

In spite of his mainly "technical" face, the preferring of a kind of sound in place of others is an inherently ludical, aesthetical and hence a bit irrational human activity, even when the "human agent" is a "serious, professional designer/engineer". Only the material devices used and the techniques employed for reaching our ludical target are rational... the target itself IS NOT rational - is just joking and funning ourselves!

That is main reason because is very difficult "rationalize" the correlation between sound and equipment used for obtain it: because the ancestor of "engineer choices" are not really rational, especially in audio.

However, if "irrational" side may be appreciated in "big" (and, for other sides, fully reliable!) designers, that's must not became the way for let open doors for any kind of shoddy or trashing design. Just as appreciating the "artistry" side of cooking must not be the way for passing burned steaks just as "exotic new dishes". A bit of plain but rugged "common sense" must be mantained... At least, i hope so!

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