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Old 13th August 2014, 06:19 PM   #1
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Default looking for all-in-one program w/ICs library

looking to buy one program, or 2 if one is better at one purpose and one at the other.

back in college used multisim, which i disliked because making connections on from one wire to the other wasnt very easy, it was mostly conecting from a node or a point to a wire. thats pretty much the only program im familiar with thats all.

i need a software that:

1) has a library of most ICs fro amplifier, and fm/am circuits like tda7088, tda2030 etc. or can import ICs, (if they are available online, and if there alot of them available online to be imported)

2) Simulation/spice is not too important but if it has it thats a plus.

3) automatically make pcb layout from a schematic

4) generate gerber file

5) doesnt take a long time to learn how to use it


if theres no all-in-one program, tham i'd be happy to buy 2 or even 3, as long if its easy to transfer the files between them
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Old 13th August 2014, 08:28 PM   #2
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how big a deal is item 3?
sounds like you want boards designed by autorouting?
most designers don't; "good" humans are better than best autorouters.

btw, what's your cost target? the best stuff ain't cheap.
and what have you played with that you like? The human interfaces vary in their "appeal".

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Old 13th August 2014, 08:54 PM   #3
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not too much of a deal actualy. but to have that option would be a great starting point when converting to pcb.
under $1000

just downloaded and trying a demo of proteus 8 right now. trying to figure out how do add ICs to components library.. didnt look for the price of it yet but it seems not too compicated to use
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Old 14th August 2014, 11:14 AM   #4
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3) automatically make pcb layout from a schematic
No system will do that, especially the most important skill in PCB design component placement.
And one of the most critical and important skills you can learn for CAD is creating your own parts, footprints and schematic symbols, library management, this is where you control the quality of your data and thus designs.

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Old 14th August 2014, 12:16 PM   #5
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I would say go for Eagle. It has everything you need except for the simulation part. The users community is continuously producing libraries of all kinds.
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Old 14th August 2014, 08:28 PM   #6
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i searched on internet but couldnt find component library of tda2005, tda7297, pam8610 etc for neither Eagle or Proteus
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Eagle is likely to have the more complete component libs - KiCad even imports Eagle's

but nothing is going to have everything

that's why any review of a PCB layout editor usually includes comments on the ease of part editing

part packages/outlines/footprints are often industry standards - so you just have to grab the right footprint for the part and then assign pins for the exact part number


and everyone with experience will tell you that autorouting is useless for analog - the layout is very much a part of the circuit, performance and needs full application of the circuit designer's intelligence to layout properly

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E.g.:
ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/userfiles...05-bridged.zip
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Old 14th August 2014, 09:38 PM   #9
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Eagle is the most popular, no doubt about that.
So there are LOTS of parts for Eagle libraries around the internet, if you're comfortable with that.
Some of us have been happier with products that have a human interface that fits our expectations better (I hope that was diplomatic enough )
For example, I like DipTrace.

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Old 14th August 2014, 09:53 PM   #10
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Eagle has extensive libraries but in my experience they are of very variable quality and you end up having to review the library parts most carefully before using them.

Altium has extensive libraries of good quality but is well outside your price range.
Pads is a case of '1990 called and wants its cad back', we hates it we does.

In my view the libraries are almost incidental, the thing that matters is being able to easily constrain net classes and define extensive sets of design rules in a useful manner, this far more then pre made libraries defines the ease with which you can do a design that you are confident is correct.

Autorouters are a waste of time for analogue and only make sense for digital if you take a week or so setting up a whole bucketful of constraints first.

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