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Old 31st December 2013, 04:20 AM   #1
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Default No Luck - WinISD or WinPCD

I had WinISD on my old XP machine, worked great. I tried to download it tonight and got an error saying I didn't have a compatible OS (running W7 64bit). So I tried the WinISD Alpha, it would run but I couldn't enter any driver parameters and get a result. The instructions say to enter the fewest parameters possible, and let the program calculate. I tried entering the bare minimum first field (Qts, Qes, Qms and Vas I think they were) and got errors, tried entering every TS on the sheet and got errors. Just never could get any result.

So I was messing around and thought I'd try WinPCD. Got several "Network Error" on the download, but was finally able to download a 4.3Mb .zip file a couple of times, but it wouldn't extract. Errors on that.

It's not my computer, I download and extract and run stuff normally quite a bit, but these programs just won't play nice.

Anybody want to give a SB Satori MW16P-8 a go? I have the .75 cu. ft. PE curved cabinet, 1.875" ID or 2.375" ID port tubes. Just ballpark curves, F3 in the 40's maybe?
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Old 31st December 2013, 05:08 AM   #2
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If you paid for a Satori, you owe it to yourself to buy some good software and model it properly. Just my opinion, but you wouldn't do justice to that woofer by relying on others to post enclosure information when they don't have any chance of measuring that driver.
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Old 31st December 2013, 05:22 AM   #3
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Anybody want to give a SB Satori MW16P-8 a go? I have the .75 cu. ft. PE curved cabinet, 1.875" ID or 2.375" ID port tubes. Just ballpark curves, F3 in the 40's maybe?
0.50a7 will run in Win7/64, but it won't close without going to the task manager. Looks like f3@41-ish Hz.

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Old 31st December 2013, 05:43 AM   #4
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right click on app.
Change "Properties", then "Compatibility" Tab.
Select "Windows 98/Windows Me" and "Run this program in compatibility mode"

Knowing what to enter in WinISD driver editor to allow calculation of the
other parameters takes some getting used to.
Qms Qes Fs Vas BL Re Xmax (one way) and Pe are often enough.
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Old 31st December 2013, 08:07 AM   #5
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The above suggestions for compatibility mode are the best bet, sometimes installing to a non-standard location (ie not c:\program files x86) can also help.

If you have excel you could try unibox it is my preferred modeling program.

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Just modeled in unibox 19L (subtracted a bit speaker crossover etc) and 39Hz tuning with the small port. Doesn't look too bad. Details attached.

The small port will probably give wind noise if pushed though. The tradeoff with the bigger port is a bigger and lower port resonance.

excursion plot shown for 30W.

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Old 31st December 2013, 03:15 PM   #7
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0.50a7 will run in Win7/64, but it won't close without going to the task manager. Looks like f3@41-ish Hz.

jeff
I could get it to run, but any time I would enter any T/S parameters (and try to save the info as a driver), I would get a pop up box (and I'm going off memory here) with several strings of parameters that had compatibility issues and it wouldn't let me save it.

I kept backing out with less and less parameters, until finally down to the very first four, and it would still give the pop up error, saying the parameters had compatibility (I don't think compatibility was the word, something like it) issues and it wouldn't take it. So down to the bare minimum parameters and still compatibility issues, I decided to give it up.

The previous WinISD, not the ProAlpha, was the one that said my OS was wrong. I'll try the different compatibility modes/running in 32 bit programs and see if I can get it to run.

Thanks to the others who replied, I was just looking for a rough ballpark. I can fine tune the box, but having a realistic starting point will make things a lot simpler.
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Old 31st December 2013, 06:12 PM   #8
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So I was messing around and thought I'd try WinPCD. Got several "Network Error" on the download, but was finally able to download a 4.3Mb .zip file a couple of times, but it wouldn't extract. Errors on that.

It's not my computer, I download and extract and run stuff normally quite a bit, but these programs just won't play nice.
First, I haven't gotten to doing the box part within WinPCD. The 2-way and 3-way crossover sections are essentially complete.

The zip file size for v1.201 should be 4,509,619 bytes. I don't know why you would have any difficulty with the download.

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I kept backing out with less and less parameters, until finally down to the very first four, and it would still give the pop up error, saying the parameters had compatibility (I don't think compatibility was the word, something like it) issues and it wouldn't take it. So down to the bare minimum parameters and still compatibility issues, I decided to give it up.
The issue is -which- parameters... I.e., if you enter Qms and Qes, don't enter Qts, as it is calculated from the first two (and will whine if the entered value doesn't match)... It's keeping you from entering incompatible (or even approximate) values... sometimes annoyingly so. As far as free/no-longer-supported software goes, it's a useful learning tool... including how the T/S parameters interact.
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I could get it to run, but any time I would enter any T/S parameters (and try to save the info as a driver), I would get a pop up box (and I'm going off memory here) with several strings of parameters that had compatibility issues and it wouldn't let me save it.
Only enter two of the three, Qts, Qes, Qms, the program will automatically calculate the third parameter.

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