| steenoe |
I have been wondering a lot, how come there is no thread about the Blues?? I want to start a thread about it, right here, right now:) Since the Blues in general had a revival a few years ago, you should be able to contribute, with something?? I dont need to tell you guy's that the Blues was the mother, giving birth to Rock, do I? Blues, is pretty much the roots, all the rest is the fruits:) Willie Dixon, quote:D The quote, pretty much says it all!
My personal favourites include these : Skip James, Robert Johnson, Blind Willie Johnson, Son House, Muddy Waters;) and Albert king:) I would include some more, if pressed:)
Like J.B. Lenoir:) :) What an artist!! I know there is a bunch of Blues fans out there. What do you listen to?? Lets hear about it!
I am gonna see Joe Bonamassa, next month!!
Steen:cool: |
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| phn |
I consider Muddy Waters the most important person of the 20th century. For me he's the inventor of music. Before him there was nothing. But at the same time I don't listen much to anything blues. Some of the worst music I know of, other than anything made by that Lloyd Webber guy, is blues. It's probably the hardest music to do right. It relies on honesty. At the same time it all too easily falls into cliché and camp.
Anyway, of "newisher blues artists, my vote goes to old man T-Model Ford.
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ry=t-model+ford |
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| phn |
Before I go to bed.
Blues is best live. And the Swedish Deltahead is no different. The album is so-so. But it's one of the best live bands in the history of the universe. A better description of the music is punk blues.
Web site and tour dates are here. If you're luck they're coming your way. |
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| FastEddy |
phn: " I consider Muddy Waters the most important person of the 20th century. For me he's the inventor of music. Before him there was nothing. ..."
Hear, hear, lets hear it for Muddy ..."Folk Singer" = "The most talked about "true audiophile" blues recordings ever. Captured from the original 1964 Chess analog master tapes, this true 24 / 96 and 24/192 transfer will bring the intimate and spooky studio production further into your listening room than ever before. ... Check this out: http://www.classicrecords.com/item.cfm?item=HDAD%202008 ... DVD-A player required ... or ... get the vinyl here: http://www.vinylbutiken.com/ (the CD is a poor substitute for either = 1/2 the dynamic range, 1/4 the pleasure).
Everyone interested in blues or interested in high quality digital reproduction should take a listen ... and after listening, you will appreciate the blues.
I tell my students of the recording art to listen to this to get a feel for microphone placement, usage and control = Muddy is the best. Check out also his mic usage on "The Last Waltz" DVD video. :cool: |
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| Asen |
Nice thread. I prefer well recorded blues. So John Lee Hooker (the Pointblank CDs) is my favourite.
There's a funny reading I've found about how to sing the blues. Here it is:
"How To Sing The Blues
(attrib. to Memphis Earlene Gray with help from Uncle Plunky)
1. Most blues begin "woke up this morning."
2. "I got a good woman" is a bad way to begin the blues, unless you stick something nasty in the next line. I got a good woman - with the meanest dog in town.
3. Blues are simple. After you have the first line right, repeat it. Then find something that rhymes. Sort of. Got a good woman with the meanest dog in town. He got teeth like Margaret Thatcher and he weighs about 500 pounds.
4. The blues are not about limitless choice.
5. Blues cars are Chevies and Cadillacs. Other acceptable blues transportation is Greyhound bus or a southbound train. Walkin' plays a major part in the blues lifestyle. So does fixin' to die.
6. Teenagers can't sing the blues. Adults sing the blues. Blues adulthood means old enough to get the electric chair if you shoot a man in Memphis.
7. You can have the blues in New York City, but not in Brooklyn or Queens. Hard times in Vermont or North Dakota are just a depression. Chicago, St. Louis, and Kansas City are still the best places to have the blues.
8. The following colors do not belong in the blues:
a. violet
b. beige
c. mauve
9. You can't have the blues in an office or a shopping mall; the lighting is wrong.
10. Good places for the Blues:
a. the highway
b. the jailhouse
c. the empty bed
Bad places:
a. Ashrams
b. Gallery openings
c. weekend in the Hamptons
11. No one will believe it's the blues if you wear a suit, unless you happen to be an old black man.
12. Do you have the right to sing the blues?
Yes, if:
a. your first name is a southern state-like Georgia
b. you're blind
c. you shot a man in Memphis.
d. you can't be satisfied.
No, if:
a. you were once blind but now can see.
b. you're deaf
c. you have a trust fund.
13. Neither Julio Iglesias nor Barbra Streisand can sing the blues.
14. If you ask for water and baby gives you gasoline, it's the blues. Other blues beverages are:
a. wine
b. Irish whiskey
c. muddy water
Blues beverages are NOT:
a. Any mixed drink
b. Any wine kosher for Passover
c. Yoo Hoo (all flavors)
15. If it occurs in a cheap motel or a shotgun shack, it's blues death. Stabbed in the back by a jealous lover is a blues way to die. So is the electric chair, substance abuse, or being denied treatment in an emergency room. It is not a blues death if you die during a liposuction treatment.
16. Some Blues names for Women
a. Sadie
b. Big Mama
c. Bessie
17. Some Blues Names for Men
a. Joe
b. Willie
c. Little Willie
d. Lightning
Persons with names like Sierra or Sequoia will not be permitted to sing the blues no matter how many men they shoot in Memphis.
17B. Other Blues Names (Starter Kit)
a. Name of Physical infirmity (Blind, Cripple, Asthmatic)
b. First name (see above) or name of fruit (Lemon, Lime, Kiwi)
c. Last Name of President (Jefferson, Johnson, Fillmore, etc.)
Mix and Match"
Regards
Asen |
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| steenoe |
Muddy Waters is a very important key-person. He was one of the very first to use an electric guitar, and generally considered the man who invented the Chicago-blues style. All of modern music is based on the work they did back then in Chicago. (Late 40's and onwards, The amplified guitar was added later in the 50's)
There should be a Blues genre to everyones taste, since it ranges from the simplest acoustic music to real heavy bluesrock.
I like the acoustic stuff, a lot. An added bonus about Blues is, that the cd's often sounds really good. Most of them are not nearly as compressed and over produced as the avarage cd's. You can often single out every instrument in the soundstage. I guess the blues-artist's are more demanding. In any case, the cd's often sound really organic.
As phn says: You gotta hear it live, indeed:) Last weekend I went to hear this guy: http://www.hplange.dk/en/default.asp Man, that guy can raise a few goosebumps and send a chill down your spine. He plays a lot of acoustic Delta-blues. I got the latest cd signed by the guy's and had a little chat with H.P afterwards:cool:
FastEddy, thanks for the link to that audiophile recording. Better get a copy of that vinyl pressing;)
If you want to hit up a group or an artist, here is a good place to start: http://www.allmusicguide.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=73:41
There are audio samples and album ratings. Nice.
Asen, that write-up pretty much is how the Blues archetype is :)
Occasionally you will find one that doesnt fit in. A case in point would be Keb' Mo'. If he has a dark side, I didnt find any trace of it:) All of his cd's are very well recorded. The sound holds an extremly high standard. A good place to start listening to Mr. Mo', is the "Martin Scorsese presents the Blues"- cd. Chek out this page, lots of good reading: http://www.pbs.org/theblues/
Steen:) |
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| FastEddy |
Re: Muddy = "... He was one of the very first to use an electric guitar, and generally considered the man who invented the Chicago-blues style. All of modern music is based on the work they did back then in Chicago. (Late 40's and onwards, The amplified guitar was added later in the 50's) ..."
Yes ... that PBS special = very good source = Martin Scorsese's "The Blues" multi disc DVD video (PBS special) = several discs have Muddy on film with quite good audio tracks. His songs are also on the theme tracks for the whole set. ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/Martin-Scor.../dp/B0002Z9XFQ/ = all regions! / PAL format ... http://www.amazon.com/Martin-Scorse.../dp/B0000CBHOI/ = USA / NTSC ... either is 24 bit 96K Dolby 5.1 :>)
(No offence, but "all CDs suck" says Bob Dylan ... refering to the abismal quality of 16 bit / 44K CDs with cranked up, overly compressed sound. ... 24 bit rules !!)
RE: H.P.LANGE ... got a link to any SACD or DVD-A recordings?? (24 bit rules!!) |
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| Asen |
Steen,
Yes, I have Keb'Mo's "Keep It Simple" - a very nice recorded CD full of good music. And it was cheap compared to others. Keb's a very optimistic guy. I'm wondering if it's the blues he sings.
Other favourits of mine are:
1. Willie Dixon - I like "Willie's Blues"
2. Lightnin' Hopkins - try "Soul Blues"
3. Pinetop Perkins - I can recommend "Born In The Delta"
4. Last but not least - Harry Manx - a pleasant mix of blues and indian muzic. I can highly recommend "Mantras For Madmen" and "Road Ragas - Live". Harry's the only white performer that I like if we talk about blues.
Regards
Asen |
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| FastEddy |
RE: That H. P. Lang recording = "Alongside The Blues" ... I'd like to get it = the backup band is very good. If I can't find it in DVD-A or SACD, then I might like the LP ... (when my new Rega P3 turntable finally get here ;>)
(Decades ago: I went to a "new release" party in Austin Tx for Muddy's "Electric Mud" album circa 1968 = too cool and boy was he loaded. I saw Lightn'in Hopkins several times at a tiny little corner bar in "dark town" Houston Tx. He used to go there every Sunday afternoon, walk in unannounced, lay his upturned hat on a chair and just start playing ... sometimes for hours and hours as folks walked in and out dropping money in his hat ... such was the life of a dance hall push broom in the mid sixties ... no money, just the best music.) |
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| phn |
And without the Rolling Stones that might never have happened. It's one of the few white bands Muddy and others didn't resent. Thanks to them Muddy got a second career.
Yes, it's hard for a white guy to do the blues. You believe somebody like RL Burnside--been there, done that. |
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| Sonusthree |
Hi,
You guys should check out Seasick Steve.
He calls it 'three string trance music'. One man, one guitar, three strings and a carpeted wooden box that he taps his feet on.
Free downloads at his site : Seasicksteve.com
I first saw him on Jools Holland here in the UK and I was immediately struck by the simplicity of it all. Kinda made me wonder what Protools was for. :whazzat: |
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| grimberg |
| quote: | Originally posted by phn
... Some of the worst music I know of, other than anything made by that Lloyd Webber guy, is blues. |
Most likely you have not listened to Country music. Lucky you!
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| kec |
I've been listening and playing acoustic blues guitar for a while now - and I'm white guy that doesn't play very well :)
Some of my favs, in no particular order.
- Mississippi John Hurt
- Junior Kimbrough
- Sonny Terry & Brownie Mcghee
- Tab Benoit
- Top Jimmy Lineup
- Robert Johnson
- Muddy Waters
- Willie Dixon
- Otis Spann
- John Lee Hooker
- SRV
- Blind Boy Fuller
- Keb 'Mo
- Buddy Guy
-Ken |
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| kec |
| quote: | Originally posted by phn
Yes, it's hard for a white guy to do the blues |
Not for SRV.
-Ken |
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| grimberg |
| quote: | Originally posted by phn
... You don't get whiter than Johnny Winters. |
Being albino and having a twin brother definitely qualifies you to sing the blues.
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| grimberg |
| Another white guy who surprised me was Ian Moore, when he released his first CD. But as far as Blues goes, it was a one-hit wonder. He changed styles after that, but that first album is worth listening. |
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| Blues |
Hey, to all who like me..."Thanks!!" :D
Great thread, Steen! I wish I have enough time to visit all the links you wonderful people attached. I'm a fan too.
I'll be revisiting your posts soon.... |
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| steenoe |
Great to see all the input and links to resources. I beleive this thread was needed:) Fasteddy, are you a teacher? I read at the PBS that the kids are having "Blues" in school in the US. What a great idea.
I bought most of the Scorsese series when it was recommended to me by a smart guy:) Thanks, Blues.
Its really great to watch the seven DVD set. Bonnie Raitt gives a great cover of Skip James "I would rather be the Devil" and she can play bottleneck indeed. Here is a nice little read on Skip James: http://paramountshome.org/articles/...s%20project.pdf Somehow I find the guy amazing. His early music is a bit terrifying and spooky, but really appealing (at least to me) His guitarplay is some of the best, you will ever hear. Prepare for some surface noise though, its the old 78's thats been recorded.
Here is another great resource, if you want to look up an artist (or something else): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert..._%28musician%29 I hit up an interesting guy, as you can see;)
Steen:) |
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| steenoe |
| quote: | | RE: That H. P. Lang recording = "Alongside The Blues" ... I'd like to get it = the backup band is very good. If I can't find it in DVD-A or SACD, then I might like the LP ... (when my new Rega P3 turntable finally get here ;>) |
I am not sure they made anything else than the CD. Did you find it on vinyl, somewhere? Here is a pic of H P Lange with his trusty old and worn slide guitar:) He uses several others too ofcourse, the National Steel being one of them. The bottleneck is in this case replaced by a piece of brasstube.
Steen:) |
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| kec |
| quote: | Originally posted by grimberg
Another white guy who surprised me was Ian Moore, when he released his first CD. But as far as Blues goes, it was a one-hit wonder. He changed styles after that, but that first album is worth listening. |
I have that CD. It's been a while since I've heard it, I'll have to dig it out and give it another spin.
One of my favorite blues guitar players is Buddy Guy. I've met the man in person at the NAMM show years ago and seen him play live.
Here's an album that I like alot. Buddy Guy and Junior Wells - Alone & Acoustic. No electric guitars, no bass, no drums. Just acoustic guitar and harp. Good stuff!
-Ken |
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| Lsharptec1 |
Hey Guys,
"It's hard for a white guy to do the Blues" ...
Guess y'all forgot about Lonnie Mack from Cincinnati.
I consider his "Oreo Cookie Blues" to be a classic.
Larry |
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| FastEddy |
kec: " ... One of my favorite blues guitar players is Buddy Guy. ...."
That "Folk Singer" album by a very old Muddy Waters has a very young Buddy Guy playing ..."Muddy's supporting cast includes Buddy Guy on guitar, with occasional visits by Chess veteran drummer Clifton James, Otis Spann's piano and Willie Dixon at the upright. ..." 24bit DVD-A version: http://www.classicrecords.com/item.cfm?item=HDAD%202008 :cool: |
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| steenoe |
With a backing section like that, it can only be good:) BTW Willie Dixon wrote a lot of the great hits for Muddy Waters and Howlin Wolf. They were competing to get the best stuff from Dixon.
Wasnt Buddy Guy supposed to be one of the few guys, that could actually take over from Muddy Waters?
Sonustree: That guy Seasick Steve is magnificent:) I bet its worth every penny to see him perform. Better watch if he comes to play anywhere near:cool: Great videos.
Steen:) |
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| ANTHONY2181 |
Hi People,
Check out Kenny Wayne shepherd's new album blues from the back roads http://www.kennywayneshepherd.net/ very good album great Classic old blues influences from people like BB King Hebert Sumlin Honey Boy Edwards,Pine Top Perkins and a whole range of others the album comes with a Excellent DVD to.It's an important step in the blues Kenny Wayne fits in very well. It also has SRVs Rhythm section Tommy Shannon and Chris Layton well worth a listen
Regards
Anthony |
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| audio-kraut |
| Even "better" than r.j burnside - listen to junior kimbrough, otha turner, robert balfour, jesse mae hemphill. All in the mississippi hill country trad. Not to forget the young'ens: north mississippi allstars. |
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| kec |
| quote: | Originally posted by ANTHONY2181
Hi People,
Check out Kenny Wayne shepherd's new album blues from the back roads http://www.kennywayneshepherd.net/ very good album great Classic old blues influences from people like BB King Hebert Sumlin Honey Boy Edwards,Pine Top Perkins and a whole range of others the album comes with a Excellent DVD to.It's an important step in the blues Kenny Wayne fits in very well. It also has SRVs Rhythm section Tommy Shannon and Chris Layton well worth a listen
Regards
Anthony |
I was just about to post the same thing as I'm listening to it right now. Excellent stuff!
I'm glad Kenny's doing this CD/documentary (on the DVD). It's a great homage to the old school blues guys that may not be around too much longer. Hopefully, it will expose and inspire the younger generation to the blues.
Check these out:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/mpd/permal...2552059-9502407
http://www.amazon.com/gp/mpd/permal...2552059-9502407
-Ken |
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| 9anda1f |
I'll heartily second kec's list, especially:
- Robert Johnson (the "Hendrix" of Blues guitar!)
- Mississippi John Hurt (a guitar wizard)
add Louisiana Red (great Delta Blues)
and for an excellent (white) Blues guitar
- John Hammond John is superb in concert, plays alone guitar and mouth harp...John can make his guitar walk AND talk!!! And he does a primo rendition of Tom Waits' "16 Shells from my 30-06" (although for the real "get down", Tom's version is riveting)
Great thread!
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| steenoe |
Eddy, I beleive your first link is about my favourite guitar player, Robert Johnson;) BTW Its very very rare, to hear a fingerpickin' guitar player these days, to equal the old guy's like Blind Willie Johnson or Skip James. Must have been something in the water?
Steen:) |
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| Zen Mod |
who else than my man steen can start thread like this .........in last months ;)
anyway-one important observation about nature of genres is:
same as many good rock recordings can put me right in desperation, blues and jazz (no matter how sad and blue are) never ever put me in that sort of mood ; there is always some light on end of the tunnel,if you know what I mean.........and I know that you know -if you like the blues.
it really doesn't matter what color is your cotton, only important is that you have your own,same as me......
even listening "misery and blues" ,life is great ; mebbe not in this very moment,but tomorrow is new day
and I'm black !
;)
btw steen-how many cds are in Scorcese package?
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just to put one glorious name here ,too - Rory .
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steen-there is always slight chance that I became too agresive repeating this.........but you really need larger and dirtier cones for listening da bluesssssssssssssssssss |
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| Fuling |
I got quite surprised when "phn" mentioned Deltahead in the first page of this thread, I discovered them just a couple of weeks ago and would never expect to read about them here!
Badge is another great "punk blues" band that deserves some attention, they´re great musicians! |
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| steenoe |
Galagher? Who else?? He was one of the best british blues guys:) Yep, the blues is depressing like hell, but at the same time uplifting. Thats excactly what I like about it:)
Thanks for tuning in Zen;) The Scorsese package is pretty big! I have these (for now) The 5 cd box, dealing with the Blues in the last nearly 100 years! I have also the 12 CD's with seperate artists! Thats 17 cd's in all. Apart from those, there is a single CD presenting the Blues and a CD to go with with every film that was made in the Scorsese series! The films are on 7 DVD's and I have those too:)Nope, your hair is black, and thats not the same:D I will send you an email:)
Steen:) |
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| steenoe |
I dont know about those deltaheads, to me they dont belong in a blues thread. But that could just be me being too; ahemmm; I dont know;) Other than that, PHN contributed with really great stuff, like Jessie Mae.
Steen:) |
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| Zen Mod |
| quote: | Originally posted by steenoe
.............. Nope, your hair is black, and thats not the same:D ...............
Steen:) |
ya know-I'm serb,inteligent one (without tale modesty) ; and-these two facts,mixed, makes me black ;) |
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| steenoe |
| quote: | | ya know-I'm serb,inteligent one (without tale modesty) ; and-these two facts,mixed, makes me black |
There you go, thats why you love the Blues, then:)
On a totally different note, I did a search on "Blues" here on DIYaudio at some point and found nothing! Nada! I mean, come on!! Being a US based forum, there is nothing about the Blues to be found?? Heck; a darn guy from Denmark should start all this:D
I am happy about this thread developing as it does! Lets have those resources comming in.
Steen :)
BTW Check out my opening post, its loaded with Blues song quotes:D Here is one: Mr. Mo' We need a payment from you: right here right now:D |
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| phn |
| quote: | Originally posted by steenoe
On a totally different note, I did a search on "Blues" here on DIYaudio at some point and found nothing! Nada! I mean, come on!! Being a US based forum, there is nothing about the Blues to be found?? Heck; a darn guy from Denmark should start all this:D
I am happy about this thread developing as it does! Lets have those resources comming in. |
It makes perfect sense. Without Europe most blues and jazz artist would starve. I believe Denmark is pretty much the jazz mecca of the world. I'm pretty sure Monica Zetterlund was bigger in Denmark than here. |
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| FastEddy |
steenoe: " ... I beleive your first link is about my favourite guitar player, Robert Johnson ..."
See: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...&n=283926&s=dvd ... The image alt tag says Burnside is one of the many players ... an interesting looking DVD video unavailable here in the states. Wonder if it is any good? (PAL / zone?)
Robet Johnson ... the writer of more of the blues covered by modern groups than just about anyone else, only a few original recordings of his work remain, as you note = rare and expensive. Best DVD video on Johnson IMOP : http://www.amazon.com/Martin-Scorse.../dp/B0000A0AZB/ ... shows his recording technics and the cover artists who perform are superb (narration is so - so).
Has anyone heard this? : http://www.amazon.com/Crossroad-Blu.../dp/B000BK8G0K/ ... apparently a CD reproduction of his lib o' congress recordings & commercial releases.
(Worst modern Robert Johnson CD: Eric Clapton / "Me and Mr. Johnson", a very decent studio session spoiled by the mix down, digital compression and engineering ... Eric probably only heard the studio masters before he signed off on this release = hopefully someone will rescue this otherwise fine piece of work and put it out on DVD-A.) |
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| FastEddy |
phn: " ... Without Europe most blues and jazz artist would starve. ..."
Keep the faith. Jazz, maybe, Blues not! ... "US Blues", "Motherless Son", "Blues is here to stay", "An' Don' Forget It"
... and view this whole DVD video set: Great renditions, generally fantastic to very good quality audio and well worth the denaro : http://www.amazon.com/Martin-Scorse.../dp/B0000CBHOI/ ... (don't bother getting the CDs = compressed versions of this sound track, decent enough for the car player, but mediocore to poor on a quality hifi ... Scorsese does a wonderful job on the video but somehow failed the follow through to CD = he shoulda' done 'em in DVD-A) |
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| steenoe |
I didnt hear that particular compilation, but it seems that one important song is missing; "Hellhound on my trail". Other than that, its a very fine collection. Dont know about the sound quality. It might be just as well to buy the "Complete recordings" 2 CD set to get every song he ever recorded except one! Go figure how Sony could miss one single song and include it in a later compilation:D You guessed it, one would have to buy the following compilation to be really complete:)
Steen :) |
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| FastEddy |
" ... Other than that, its a very fine collection. Dont know about the sound quality. ..."
"CDs suck ..." - Bob Dylan |
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| grimberg |
| quote: | Originally posted by FastEddy
"CDs suck ..." - Bob Dylan |
Coming from him that's very funny, as I have always thought he sucks. Bob Dylan has proved that you don't need to sing well to make a living as a singer. Keanu Reeves did the same for acting, but that’s subject for another thread. :D :D :D |
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| FastEddy |
Mr. Dylan was refering to his lates album "Modern Times" in an interview in Rolling Stone magazine. His point being that his studio masters sounded a lot better than gthe mass market release of the same sounds = his publisher, Sony, being the ring leaders in an effort to make CDs sound bad so that they can make their other products sound good (like "super audio" CDs and "blue meany ray", HD TV and DVD movie audio tracks, etc,.)
And as everyone who can play DVD-A discs knows, 16 bit CDs do in fact suck a huge one when compared to 24 bit audio. :mad: |
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| grimberg |
Thank you for clarifying Bob Dylan’s quote. Yes, unfortunately we are stuck with this 40 year old technology, the 16 bit format, unless we are willing to:
1) Throw out our current music libraries
2) Buy again our music libraries in the new optical format
3) Give up on the Fair Use* rights like backing up an optical medium or extracting the digital data contained in it.
And the last one is really the deal breaker in my case. I had CDs stolen from my car in 1998 and never played originals outside my house again. Since that incident, I only bring to the car CD-Rs as either straight backups or mixes.
Now, to legitimize my ramblings above and get back on topic, I would like to suggest the Jimmy Rogers’s Blue Bird CD. The material is great and so is the quality of the recording. Highly recommended.
(*) U.S. legislation regarding copying music medium. |
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| FastEddy |
1) Throw out our current music libraries
Yes, I am in the process of giving all of my CDs to my wife's car collection = the car being the only place that CD quality is ignored 'cause of background noise.
2) Buy again our music libraries in the new optical format
Yes. I buy nothing but DVD Videos (24 bit / 48K to 24 bit / 96K) and DVD-Audio (24 bit / 96K or better) and SACD (24 bit / 96K or better mastering via Sony's equal to 24 bit / 48K scenario)
3) Give up on the Fair Use* rights like backing up an optical medium or extracting the digital data contained in it.
No, I never, ever give up any of my rights to find a way to be entertained, even if I have to boycott Sony, et al, publishers and pirate their output when unavailable in a decent audio format.
Listen, most professional musicians understand that they have to get their wares into the public perview to generate sales. And most of them know that if their output stinks because their greedhead publishers are manipulating their products, folks will go elsewhere for the better sounds, eventually. And most of them, overtly or covertly, will agree with Bob Dylan that their studio masters are being trashed at their expense. I, for one, will borrow the LP and cut the DVD-A as a pirate, rather than pay good money for bad noise.
DVD-A = bandidth > 110 db
LP = bandwidth > 90 db with rounded clipping (some say more)
SACD = bandwidth > 90 db with sharp clipping
ordinary CD = bandwidth > 80 db on a good day with sharp clipping
Latest example: Santana "Supernatural"
http://www.amazon.com/Supernatural-.../dp/B00000J7J4/ ... the CD is good enough, but does suffer from over compression.
http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo...r=ARIDA51054... because of the use of the original studio master sources (multi channel 24bit / 192K bandwidth >110 db) this is a truely amazing recording, vastly improved to the point that it is like listening to a whole new group of sessions and mixes. The entire band can be heard as individuals without crushing the vocals. A truely fine listening experience, IMOP better than the LP. This DVD also includes thebroadcast MTV videos (which sound very much like the CD versions, only better) and other extras. :cool: :cool: :cool: = three stars |
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| steenoe |
I have a few CD's in my collection where soundquality is of a second matter;) I would never want to split from my "Blind Willie Johnson" CD's, and man; they sound lousy. The music still haunts me, though!!
Steen:) |
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| I also have some very old media that I will never dump: about 120 pounds of Edison Gramaphone records with such hot numbers as "Where did Robinson Crusoe go with Friday on Saturday Night?" circa 1920. I have intentions of having these fat, 78 RPM, 1/4" platters cleaned up and digitized ... real soon now ... :cool: |
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| steenoe |
| quote: | | I have intentions of having these fat, 78 RPM, 1/4" platters cleaned up and digitized ... real soon now ... |
Why dont you just send those records to me?? I will return a first class mp3, indeed:D Otherwise, you can send the digitized work to me, as an alternative:D
Steen:) |
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| len_scanlan |
A couple of my favorites...
Junior Wells - Better off with the blues (Telarc CD-83354)
Kelly Joe Phelps - Shine eyed mister zen (Rykodisc RCD 10476) - more white guy blues
Hank Dogs - Bareback (Hannibal HNCD 1413) - British blues / folk
Memphis Slim - The Blues are everywhere
That last Memphis Slim album I only have on vinyl and it must have been a really early stereo recording as all the instruments are panned HARD left or HARD right! Its vocals and guitar over there... and drums right over that way... way over there... |
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| FastEddy |
Blues: Great sources ... got any more?
I'm constantly trolling for these kinds of links = eventually putting them up on our new web site: http://24bithifi.com ... :eek: |
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| steenoe |
I just heard the "Guitar-god" Right now, his name is Bonamassa:D
Man, I never saw/heard anything like it! He is really superb on the guitar.
http://www.jbonamassa.com/index2.htm
Steen:) |
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| steenoe |
Just had this album on vinyl:) Man, you would have to look a very long time to find a more enthusiastic album. Listen to Johnny Winter yelling in the background:D I am sure those guys liked the recording session a lot:) They had fun;) Me too listening to it.
Steen:) |
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| steenoe |
Nope I dont!!:xeye: But what, SACD isnt all the life you can ask for!! Last weekend I went to see Ike Turner!! I really liked the first half of the show!! Really some bluesy stuff, made everyone rock!! When the Tina"clone" kicked in with the "Nutbush......." Kind of part, I have to admit that I was dissapointed..... Not that she was bad or couldnt sing, but "WE" came for e Blues:D The worst thing was Ike's guitar-guy!! He could play the blues allright, but he looked like anything but a Blues-guy!! Beleive me, he looked like a J...!! Darn, that was dissappointing!
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| FastEddy |
Ike & company = his records don't sell well either.
" ... But what, SACD isnt all the life you can ask for!! ..."
Yes, it is ... got a link to SACDs of Muddy ?? :eek: |
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| steenoe |
| quote: | Originally posted by FastEddy
Ike & company = his records don't sell well either.
" ... But what, SACD isnt all the life you can ask for!! ..."
Yes, it is ... got a link to SACDs of Muddy ?? :eek: |
Sorry about the late reply. Are the old albums from the 60's recorded in a quality that justifies a SACD or DVDA recording? I am just asking because I have no idea:) I know that "some" of the vinyl from that era sounds great, but not the majority. I realise that "Hard again" is recorded in the early 70's and the sound is great, indeed!
If some of you guys are an upcoming Muddy Waters fan, these are the albums to start out with;) The Chess box is just as great as the Alan Lomax field recordings from 1941-42! Check out the pick.
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| steenoe |
Oh yeah, the " Folk Singer" album. One of The Chess labels efforts to ride the Blues revival wave, of the early 60's. With great succes! As far as I know, the same mastertapes were used for the Chess box with Muddy. The Chess label released several Box-sets with some of their greatest artists.
Talking about that, I want to raise an issue here: Were the artist's payed as they deserved? I dont think so! A guy like Willie Dixon got like 100usd a week for producing hit by hit!! He wrote big time seller's for Muddy Waters, Howlin Wulf, Otish Rush and others!! I beleive his biggest paycheck came about when he had his lawsuit check from Led Zeppelin;) As it were, Led Zep more or less copied Dixon songs at will! The story has it that Dixons record company Arc music, sued Led Zep for Copyright reasons.
"Bring it on home" was actually a Dixon song;) The case was settled outside the court, so I guess that Paige and Plant knew they were guilty:) Dixon never saw a dime from the case, until his personal manager insisted on seeing ARC's accounts!! Does that suck, or what? First you were cheated, then you were cheated again.......Years later he brought suit against Led Zep again, this time for their song "Whole lot of love" more than resembling Dixons "You need love" performed by Otish Rush.
Again the case was settled with a check, outside the court!!
Man those guys steel from each other......
On Led Zeppelin 1, they had the decensy to credit most songwriters. They forgot about that on Led Zep 2!! Being an old Led Zep fan, its quite a hard pill to swallow!!
Any comments, or interest in more of that sort??
Steen:) |
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| Zen Mod |
| quote: | Originally posted by steenoe
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Any comments, or interest in more of that sort??
Steen:) |
you can like their's music, but you mustn't respect them ;
take Bird as example ...........genius but .........
I know that you saw Eastwood's "Bird"........
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| FastEddy |
" ... Talking about that, I want to raise an issue here: Were the artist's payed as they deserved? ..."
I talked to Muddy at his "coming out party" in Austin Tx about a week after release of Electric Mud. He seemed quite happy and quite stoned ... I believe it was the first time he had tried peyote, pot and wine all together ... The subject of money never came up, but he did indicate his happiness with Chess, with the mostly white college crowd in attendence at the party and the gig and he was driving a brand new fire engine red Caddy convertable with a couple of young babes from Houston.
Anyway, his music was fantastic that evening, except for the first couple of songs ... he just stood there in front of his mic with a big grin on his face while his band played through the introductions ... but once he started a rockin', it was sweet. He did all the songs from Folk Singer in his second set and then did some stuff that I had not heard before or since ... The preliminary band was some little ol' band from San Antonio, ZZ something our other ... :D |
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| steenoe |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zen Mod
you can like their's music, but you mustn't respect them ;
take Bird as example ...........genius but .........
I know that you saw Eastwood's "Bird"........
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As a matter of fact, I really like Led Zep:) I dont care if they "borrowed" some of their guitar lick's from old bluesmen;) I mean, who didnt:) Listening to a lot of old Blues right now, I get to feel the, "Where did I hear that before?" kind of feeling:D I kind of go: Soo, thats where they had that lick from":D
Ya should be receiving the package just about now:) If not, the ponyexpress is slow....
Steen :cool: |
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| steenoe |
| quote: | Originally posted by FastEddy
" ... Talking about that, I want to raise an issue here: Were the artist's payed as they deserved? ..."
I talked to Muddy at his "coming out party" in Austin Tx about a week after release of Electric Mud. He seemed quite happy and quite stoned ... I believe it was the first time he had tried peyote, pot and wine all together ... The subject of money never came up, but he did indicate his happiness with Chess, with the mostly white college crowd in attendence at the party and the gig and he was driving a brand new fire engine red Caddy convertable with a couple of young babes from Houston.
Anyway, his music was fantastic that evening, except for the first couple of songs ... he just stood there in front of his mic with a big grin on his face while his band played through the introductions ... but once he started a rockin', it was sweet. He did all the songs from Folk Singer in his second set and then did some stuff that I had not heard before or since ... The preliminary band was some little ol' band from San Antonio, ZZ something our other ... :D |
Eddyman, is that from the "Cant be satisfied: The life and times of Muddy Waters"? I dont really beleive that you talked to Muddy? I am having the mentioned book, next week! A nice addition to my library of Blues writings indeed
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Steen:) |
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| FastEddy |
" .. is that from the "Cant be satisfied: The life and times of Muddy Waters"? I dont really beleive that you talked to Muddy? ..."
I don't care if you believe me or not. ... It happened as I said. The party was in a big old barn about 4 miles southwest of Austin on a Saturday afternoon, then we all went into town for the evening gig at The Vulcan Gas Company (later renamed Armadillo World Headquarters and others), by the RR tracks, a couple of blocks up from the river. The preliminary band was not the whole ZZ Top crew, just Billy and what's his name with Muddy's drummer. (This was way before ZZ Top hit the big time, just another Texas rockabilly band from San Antonio.) The gig went from just after dark until way too late ... Muddy hit a good spot and just kept playing and playing ... :cool: |
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| steenoe |
| quote: | | I don't care if you believe me or not. ... |
I cant blame you then;) You would have to have me excused, its not that strange that someone will doubt the fact that you actually met Muddy Waters? Cant be the first time you experience that?
I am sorry ;)
I have been listening to Muddy on a daily basis for some time now:) Great stuff, indeed.
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| steenoe |
By the way:D ZZ Top later cut out a piece of wood from Muddy's cabin in the Missisipi Delta and had a guitar made from it!! They tour'ed the States with the guitar;) How is that; showing respect for the roots??
Steen:) |
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| FastEddy |
" ... ZZ Top later cut out a piece of wood from Muddy's cabin in the Missisipi Delta and had a guitar made from it!! ...."
I was not aware of that!! Thanks .... |
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| Zen Mod |
| quote: | Originally posted by steenoe
As a matter of fact, I really like Led Zep:) I dont care if they "borrowed" some of their guitar lick's from old bluesmen;) I mean, who didnt:) Listening to a lot of old Blues right now, I get to feel the, "Where did I hear that before?" kind of feeling:D I kind of go: Soo, thats where they had that lick from":D
Ya should be receiving the package just about now:) If not, the ponyexpress is slow....
Steen :cool: |
ya know.........since my childish beginnings in listening the musak.......fortunately I met jazz very soon,then I realize what standard and versions are in most natural way - it doesn't matter who wrote tune, only important is did you make it right when you did it....
so ,conclusion is .........it's fun and blessings that musak exists.........and really doesn't matter who play it,till is good..........even if that's bunch of hairy screamers ........... :clown:
hey- I really like Zepp........but it's sometimes funny even to me when I hear Plant repeats "push.........push............push"........
not to mention those scenes from "song remains the same".............boy- I was hippie when I was a boy.......... :devilr:
edit.........must be a rider of a pony sleeps somewhere ;) |
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| FastEddy |
| Zep the Blimpsters = Yeah, me too ... I rank Jimmy Paige right up there with Clapton, Gilmore and Snowy White ... :cool: |
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| Taperwood |
Wow, eight pages and no one has mentioned Lonnie Johnson, but since I only discovered him recently myself, that can be overlooked. He has one of the finest voices I have ever heard sing the blues. Check out Lonnie Johnson with Elmer Snowden "Blues and Ballads" to start. This is one of the finest, most emotionally moving blues recordings I have ever heard. From the liner notes: "Side one opens with HAUNTED HOUSE, a very moving blues which literally drove Lonnie Johnson to tears as he sang it in the studio."
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| steenoe |
Dont be so surprised about that! There are/were so many great blues artists around, that you simply cant give them all, the credit they deserve. Pheeew, that was a long line:) Lonnie Johnson was(actually is!) great, indeed.
I am hoping for Kenny Wayne Shepherd to play at next years Blues Fest here:) He pretty much tops the wishlist, which actually gets to dicide who gets invited;) Hopes he says yes!! Hope he gets things under control too!!
Steen:)
BTW Doug; Any record company or serial on that recording?? |
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| FastEddy |
" ... I am hoping for Kenny Wayne Shepherd to play at next years Blues Fest here ..."
That's an interesting concept:
Who would you want to hear live or hear recorded "next years Blues Festival" ?? Favorite current live touring blues band? Favorite Blues singer? Favorite Blues Guitar? Piano? .... Favorite Blues _____ ? |
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| steenoe |
The "Odense International Bluesdage" (Bluesdage tranlates to Blueday's;) ) is arranged by a privat organization called "Odense Blues Circle" It gets a good deal of sponsormoney from a Beer-brewery and also a good deal of official sponsor$. Otherwise it would not be possible to have an event like that, here. The Blues Circle takes requests and they try to hire the most wanted artists.
You can just email your wishes. I suggested Kenny Wayne and also Seasick Steve (he would be cool to see live, I am sure) and Corey Harris would also be cool to have. But ofcourse not all artists are available at any given time. Here is a link in danish (so it will be of limited use for most).
Steen:)
http://www.bluesdage.dk/ |
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| Zen Mod |
blues is just for old farts
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| audio-kraut |
| quote: | | blues is just for old farts |
exactly, because, like sex, it is wasted on the young... |
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| Cal Weldon |
| The blues are great. Just don't listen to it while crossing a bridge. :D |
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| steenoe |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cal Weldon
The blues are great. Just don't listen to it while crossing a bridge. :D |
:D :D :D |
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| Taperwood |
| quote: | Originally posted by steenoe
Dont be so surprised about that! There are/were so many great blues artists around, that you simply cant give them all, the credit they deserve. Pheeew, that was a long line:) Lonnie Johnson was(actually is!) great, indeed.
I am hoping for Kenny Wayne Shepherd to play at next years Blues Fest here:) He pretty much tops the wishlist, which actually gets to dicide who gets invited;) Hopes he says yes!! Hope he gets things under control too!!
Steen:)
BTW Doug; Any record company or serial on that recording?? |
Agreed. Too many to list. As I delve ever deeper into the blues, I occasionally come across a gem like this Johnson recording made in 1960. It's funny, though, Johnson did not want to be known as a blues player. His first love was jazz. There's an interesting entry on him in Wikipedia.
Here's an Amazon link for the album info:
http://www.amazon.com/Blues-Ballads...n/dp/B000000XY0 |
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| steenoe |
Thanks for the link. I just ordered it, together with the "Steppin' on the Blues" album also from Lonnie Johnson:) Both albums are top-pick rated by Allmusicguide:
Lonnie Johnson
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| Taperwood |
"Steppin' on the Blues" looks to be all original recordings done in the 20's and 30's. Please let us know how it sounds.
I think I will get the Smithsonian Folkways recording next. It was recorded a few years after "Blues and Ballads." Even in his 60's, his voice sounds as fine as it probably ever did.
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| steenoe |
Yep I will:)
Kec posted a few nice links earlier to some youtube videos of Mississippi John Hurt and Big Bill Broonzy, very nice videos too!. Now that I found out how to record streaming audio/video, here is the message on youtube:| quote: | | This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Stefan Grossman’s Guitar Workshop, Inc. |
Does that suc# or what, and who the heck is that Stefan Grossman?? As if he has something to say about those old Bluesguys?? Cant beleive it, ought to be illegal:smash:
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| I've got the blues today :( :D |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Zen Mod
blues is just for old farts
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Here's one of them...coolest of the cool. Listen to his early "Boogie Chillen'" take and then his re-take after almost 50 years with Eric Clapton on guitar. That smoky, nicotine spit-in-the-throat voice, fret work and foot tapping just sounds glorious on Class A. Recommended are "The Healer", "Chill Out", "The Best of Friends"...just some from about 60 albums over 6 decades and notable awards in-between.
http://www.johnleehooker.com/history.htm
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I used to "hang" with John Lee and his main squeeze. ( http://www.tradewindsbar.com/ ) ... Yes, coolest of the cool ... (Yes, I am an old fart too.)
" ... That smoky, nicotine spit-in-the-throat voice, fret work and foot tapping just sounds glorious ..." to say nothing of his other habits, good and bad, which he eventually conquered ... Late in life he found his true calling, clean and relatively sober, his performances just got better and better right up to the very end ... :eguitar: |
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| steenoe |
Cool indeed. Talk about charisma! Listen to "Tupelo" a good example with foot-tapping and superb guitarplay. Hooker is a master in "underplaying" the statements. You seldom see him smile when performing, thats part of the strong impression he makes:)
Tupelo by JLHooker
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| audiotux |
Mr . Blues you forgot
The Hot Spot ,
also a very cool album with JLH and others !
Jürgen |
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Tupelo, it is Steen...
"It happened long time ago, in a little country town, way back in Mississippi;
It rained and it rained, it rained both night and day;
The people got worried, they began to cry,
"Lord have mercy, where can we go now?" "
Only John Lee can make a song like Tupelo listenable. Heck, I'll listen even if he was just humming!
Boom! You're spot on with "The Hot Spot", Jurgen.
"Boom boom boom boom
I'm gonna shoot you right down,
right offa your feet
Take you home with me,
put you in my house
Boom boom boom boom
A-haw haw haw haw
Hmmm hmmm hmmm hmmm
Hmmm hmmm hmmm hmmm"
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| steenoe |
It is gonna be really difficult to get an overview of Hooker's recordings:bigeyes: Searching a bit around, there is so many re-issues, compilations and albums on nearly all known labels.
Take a look at allmusicguides listings:
http://www.allmusicguide.com/cg/amg...difuxq95ldke~T2
Lots of main albums and mucho more compilations. Since his dead in 2001, they are pumping out compilations like mad. The Shout-factory boxset seems like a good choice. 4 CD's spanning nearly 50 years! This set is put together from lots of different labels which is nice. Usually the "Best off's" put together by a particular label is too limited.
http://www.shoutfactory.com/press/1...ker_hooker.aspx
Hookers daughter is pretty excited about it, so I guess we can be too?
Steen:) |
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